Saturday, September 26, 2009

We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

I must first say that I am not a movie critic and this post is not about encouraging anyone to see a film, but I was compelled to share my thoughts to some extent on what I hope the benefit of this film will be to our community.


Probably amid much criticism, Tyler Perry's new movie, I Can Do Bad All By Myself (Trailer HERE) is one of the best productions that I have seen in quite some time geared toward the struggles of American families and the African American community in particular. This production took me across almost every emotional spectrum especially when I viewed it against the backdrop of what I know we're dealing with as a community.

To Tyler Or Not To Tyler?

First, I know the criticisms of Tyler Perry. A single rich man is quickly called a homosexual when he doesn't get married quickly enough, is seen with the "wrong" minister, and makes part of his living portraying a woman. A particular minister, even goes so far as to suggest that for the sake of "entertainment" Tyler violates God's word, by dressing in drag and immitating a woman, consequentely doing damage to morality and violating biblical principles. Secondly, cussin' that used to be centered around the misuse of the word hell is now outright and flat out profanity, which I'll be the first to say should be eliminated.

On the  former however,  I'd also say that since I don't know him (Tyler Perry) personally, and God hasn't yet spoken to my spirit regarding the issue of his sexuality, that I'm not entertaining criticisms that this man is a homosexual. However, with that said, we should examine the defining line as it pertains to upholding biblical standards even in the entertainment industry. In my opinion that's a good conversation to have, but it must be undertaken from a scriptural standpoint and many of the fundamentalist and literalist views some of which may or may not be correct, must be stoked out in the process.

In other words, I pose, as I have done previously, that if Christians resist simply because "industry" is ungodly, we should be aware that there is no modern industry in which sinners and the ungodly are not enriched in some way, or where sinners don't sometimes control production standards. Example; Even many "Christian" owned companies receive supplies from suppliers and many of those suppliers are the same sinners and ungodly that some of us try to avoid. So what should the Saint do? Close shop and refuse to do business with anyone? I don't believe that position is biblical nor is it practical, but it soes foster good conversation.

To The Heart Of the Matter

There were many situations that Tyler touched on in this film. There were parentless children, adultery, a minister doing his best to serve the community (finally a positive portrayal of the church ~ Thanks Pastor Marvin) and a self centered lady settling for a suga-daddy doing the same thing over and over yet hoping for a change.

I was struck on a number of different levels and even at one point started to clap my hands and praise the Lord in the movie theatre (until I realized that I wasn't in church-LOL...that didn't stop me too much though) The movie hit home when I contrasted it to what is actually going on in our community...This is what a certain minister says on his website regarding the immorality of the Black community and its support of President Barack Obama during his recent campaign:

"Who better to strip America of it's morality than a representative of the most immoral group of people in the nation? Don't get mad at me, the numbers show that Blacks are the most immoral group in America and that we could care less about morality when it comes to looking good. The statistics on this matter show that we have the highest HIV rate, incarceration rate, drop out rate, STD rate, Abortion rate, murder rate, teen pregnancy rate, single parent rate, homosexual and lesbian rate, etc." ~ G. Craige Lewis Blogspot June 2010
I must say that I don't agree with this statement for a minute because it's a radical oversimplification of the problem, blaming the victim for current conditions that are readily observed. To say that blacks are the most immoral Americans because the statistics say so, is not only an  incorrect way to interpret modern soci-societal  statistical data but it's also a racist remark that the KKK would love to affirm. It's also an unempathetic position for church leadrship to take if the mission of the church is really the healing of the nation. However, this sort of observation does solidify the fact that the Black community has rather unique problems that effect the nation. The entire community, including the church, must become  better at addressing issues if our mission is to meet the needs with the power of God.


I believe Tyler's movie and other movies  like Tyler's  could be an element in helping to address these issues and start the necessary dialogue at a fundamental level. How? Simply put, we have  witnessed the power of media and entertainment to promote a message. For too long those mediums have been used to promote and solidify immorality and worthlessness. We are quick to observe the devastating effects that videos have had on our children in promoting pimps, sex and drugs. This movie exposes what we see but in a much different manner  than how it has been traditionally presented.

Burdens That Can be Lifted

Because so many individuals within the Black community are emotionally tired, spiritually weak and drained, too many have taken the easy road and are now content to follow the path of least resistence. The movie exposes that all too often, it's easy for a woman to accept a married man that uses her for sex and destroys her emotionally all in the name  of payin' the bills, deceiving herself into thinking that the future has promise. Some of those same women have suffered from emotional and sometimes physical abuse. It's a wonder that individuals trapped within that  type of bondage and emotional upheaval, even make it from day to day, yet alone contribute to the welfare of anyone else.


Many within our community have become so desensitized to abnormal behaviors until we make excuses for actions and rationalizations for our responses (or lack therof)  to try to make sense of what we observe. Alchoholism, as portrayed in the film, is sometimes a result of uncovered and unreconciled pain, and many never take time to try to find out what real problems have occurred behind closed doors leading to such destructive behaviors. Then there are our children...abandoned, left to fend for themselves and having to grow up way too early. Due to deaths, drugs and other ills some of our youth have been forced to create their own set of rules and morality as a way to psychologically deal with the evil that they've experienced. Unfortunately, we see that false moral standard played out in crime, incarceration and murder stats. The positions and predicaments that children have been placed in from being sold for drugs to molestation and abandonment, has taken it's toll on a whole generation who needs sound leadership, patience and someone to talk to them instead of about them.

Yes, Tyler's film dealt with the whole gambit of issues and placed God in the middle of  it all, not through a pimp or homosexual preacher, but through an extended hand and beacon within the community trying to assist individuals in whatever way they could. I was most excited about this because for too long the church has just been a part of the community and not the center of it. I am a firm believer that the church must take its place and get back to the real mission of Christ. We can sell  tapes DVD's and collect honorariums, but we should never forget the souls  of the individuals that God has called us to minister to.


Through all that was shown and portrayed there will yet be others that will only see a man in drag or hear curse words (the same one's they think but don't say) and shake  their head saying that God is against it all. Yet others will only hear Mary J. Blige singing and write it all off as mindless, godless mess. In other words some will only see  imperfections because it's a Hollywood movie. Well, that's ok, because in the end, I believe that God has seen all of our imperfections also, and yet loved us. Besides all that thank God that he is not against us like many people have portrayed and continue to portray him to be. Thank God that none of these types of situations or souls are beyond the reach and the power of God. I am afraid that some things simply must change IF we are to effectively reach and  make a difference within this generation.  We must not become weaker, but we certainly must become wiser. Unfortunately, popular pulpits, church facilities, tape, DVD sales and large offerings (including speaking fees) have duped the gospel minister into either being a ministrel putting on a show or a pupeteer seeking to pull  the next sensational string to which audience emotions are attached. The wisdom of loving and cultivating souls has somehow escaped our grasp.

Conclusion

If Tyler's movie does anything for the Black community, I hope it  fosters the serious and necessary conversation that the church must have with its youth, families and community outside of  its walls. I hope it causes the minister to leave the receiving of offering tray for a minute to give back to lost souls. I hope that if this movie does anything, it will let individuals who are desperate know that with Christ, all things are possible, and that  God can TRULY teach us how to love.

Blessed!

34 comments:

  1. Yes, for those who quite don't understand...black people can be racist against their own race...I'm not quite sure what it's called technically, only it does occur.

    All too often we use religious fundamentalism to justify it similarly to how that same type of fundamentalism was historically used to justify cross-race racism.

    Either way, it's ungodly no matter who it's from.

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  2. Praise the LORD!

    Pastor Burnett, since you are my 1 of my big brothers that I trust...I will go see this film with my wife(..if we can get a babysitter, LOL..) or wait for it come out on DVD(Lord knows they come out almost just as fast as the movies at the box office)

    "If Tyler's movie does anything for the Black community, I hope it fosters the serious and necessary conversation that the church must have with its youth, families and community outside of its walls. I hope it causes the minister to leave the receiving of offering tray for a minute to give back to lost souls. I hope that if this movie does anything, it will let individuals who are desperate know that with Christ, all things are possible, and that God can TRULY teach us how to love."

    Pastor Burnett, those words are resounding and PROFOUND and the TRUTH from the LORD...and the GOAL of where every black church and pastors/leaders(5-fold) must MEET in this hour, in this generation BEFORE it is TOO LATE!

    Sir, let me tell you a recent example. Some leaders in the Church are only your "friends" if you give, give, give(did I say give enough) to their ministry, their causes, their vision, etc. etc. There was a pastor that my church has been fellowshipping with the past 2 years. They had been supporting us and we had been supporting them...services, revivals, etc.

    Well, this pastor was hosting a Christian banquet at a downtown DC hotel and charging upfront for tickets. I put it this way, the cost was for adults extremely pricey. I went to my pastor and said, I have 3 kids...ages 5, 3, and a newborn. Can I get a break on the kids. Well it comes back to me that the price for the 2 oldest kids...kids remember was $10each. The HOLY GHOST vexed me and said DO NOT GO! But send a love gift offering of $20.00 to this pastor. Well indirectly, my pastor got convicted too and did not go too!

    Doc, The Black Church MUST REPENT and get out of this fundraising error that is offending the least of these and putting an unnecessary yoke on the poor! Now, I am not poor...but I am not a sucker anymore EITHER!

    Man of GOD, where are we going with this? Everytime I turn on Christian radio or watch Christian TV...the black ministers/pastors and bishops...across every denomination wants Partners, special offerings, special this, special that...If I was a sinner that was in the Business world, I would say, "You Christians must serve a poor poor GOD if you cannot pay for your bills and pay for this and pay for that!"

    Doc, 1 major sin in the black church right now is the grievous sin of respect of persons that is making merchandise out of the saints, and putting people into bondage. What happened to being concerned about the least of these????

    GOD opened my eyes 3 years ago and I will NEVER EVER go into money bondage again! And when GOD sends me forth as a pastor, I WILL NOT LEAD my sheep into Money Bondage! No SIR! No way! No HOW!

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  3. Enochwalked,

    Man, we have "banqueted" the people to death. promoted almost everything BUT the gospel and lost a grip on what we see...I mean we see what's going on but don't perceive it...Then throw false doctrine on top of that and it's a total mess.

    I was listening to a dry song by Eddie Long and his people on the radion today...I can't think of the name of it right now, but he (Bishop Long) said in his pre-diologue, "God messed us up in John when he said, that we 'might' have eternal life"...the song was about trials and his pont was that everything was uncertain so we just have to exercise our faith...his point was that even 'salvation' was an uncertain proposition...that we 'might' have eternal life...

    Man i said what kinda QUACK theology is this and then immediately I thought, what kind of folk would sit under something that off base? then I remembered how desperate and hurting some of our people really are...

    Man we've got some people who are so hungry they WILL eat "spiritual slop". These false doctrines and pretend services are crazy and many just sit right there...

    I went to Barnes & Noble to pick out a monthly read (that's the highlight of my month anymore almost-LOL...4-sure gettin' OLD) I came across Carlton Pierson's book, "The Gospel Of Inclusion" This garbage is soooooo far off base it's unbelieveable but even HE has an audience...

    brother if we that know the truth don't set forth what we know is right, the blood will be on our hands...I made up my mind to do and committ the truth best as I can with God's help and trust HIM to make up the defeciency if any...

    So far as prices and tickets, just wait until you go speak and they only have a seat for you, maybe one for your wife and the kinds haven't even been accounted for...now that shows what too many are really doing.

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  4. By the way, the movie connected with me because I know of and have ministered to people just like Taj (the main character). Her actions infexions, and emotions that she protrayed were totally on point and that kinda really drew me in...i wanted to reach out and shake her and say, "Girl wake up and stop being so stupid!"-LOL so she portrayed the type of person that that she was aiming for.

    The church was unique also. I saw Marvin interview about his role and that was a message he prepared for the show and they let him preach it...so that was helpful...now you know the critic is gonna say he didn't say enough this and that but let me know what you think whenever you see it...It was certainly TOTALLY better than that other one called "The Gospel"...was like night and day.

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  5. God Bless you Pastor Burnett,

    As usual I enjoyed the post and your opinion regarding the movie. I have not seen it yet but I thank you for the post.

    I used to be a huge Tyler Perry fan until I got annoyed with the Madea character and stopped watching those movies. Tyler Perry is extremely talented. He really addresses issues that are being dealt with in the black community. However; the problem that I have is that he makes the gospel to be "foolishness" with the Madea character; misquoting scripture, cussing, and just behaving ignorantly.

    I'm sure the movie sends off a great message. I will not deny that. However; does it send off the message of holiness and Jesus being our savior and answer to all of our problems? Does the movie talk about deliverance and turning away from the evils of the world? Better yet, do the people that played in the movie have a desire to be saved and live right? Or will their next movie have them cursing and engaging in lewd acts?

    I guess my point is that Tyler Perry and others like him are decieving the world into making them believe that they don't have to change for Christ.

    Here's my other issue, why is it that black entertainers, affiliated with the church, feel that they have to have some type of immorality in our movies in order for them to hit the box office? For instance, I saw Bishop Jakes movie (the one about marriage) and then I saw the movie Love Dare which had no cursing or any other immorality. Both movies had the same message but Love Dare was more profound to me because it stood for Christ all the way.

    I'm not trying to be extremely judgemental but I know that black people are far better than having to stoop to Hollywood's standards for entertainment.

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  6. Ashley,

    Thanks for your comments. You said this:"However; the problem that I have is that he makes the gospel to be "foolishness" with the Madea character; misquoting scripture, cussing, and just behaving ignorantly."

    Well he continues in the same in this movie also. But, I know MANY people who unashamedly do the same thing. So far as the character is concerned, Mudea (from my understanding) isn't "saved" neither claims to be saved. The question I have is why do we expect the unsaved to be 'religious" when it comes to our belief...I don't want to get to wrapped up in this because Mudea is a mythological figure, but there are plenty of real life folk who act the same as Mudea (of course he takes it further to provide entertainment value)...however, the questions are do we have the same opinion of them (real life people) that we do of Mudea who has no profession of faith? Or do we feel that a person with a committment of faith such as Tyler should not portray anyone with those type of traits which we readily admit are antithetical to Christianity or being saved?

    You asked a series of questions and I'll respond accordingly and ask for opinions from readers. You said:

    "However; does it send off the message of holiness and Jesus being our savior and answer to all of our problems?"

    Is that the criteria or standard for all material or ventures in which cristians are involved? If that is the case should we watch ANY sort of entertainment were these standards are not kept?

    you said:"Does the movie talk about deliverance and turning away from the evils of the world?

    From what I saw it wasn't talked about in those terms, however Christ and Christ living was the center and the basis whereby change was brought about in the lives of the fictitious characters. The question is again, do we hold Tyler to a higher standard of presenting the gospel simply because he has a profession of faith?

    This leads to another question; is there a difference between a movie appealing to a Christian audience verses the movie being a "Christian" movie? It sems that when it comes to Tyler we are wanting to see Christian movies when his movies are primarily targeted toward a Christian audience. There is a big differnce.

    You asked: "Better yet, do the people that played in the movie have a desire to be saved and live right?

    OK, there we go with our expectations. Are we to say that because someone plays a part in a ovie with a religious theme, that the determining factor of the movies value is based on teh life change of the Characters?

    OK, enter Mel Gibson. Since his movie which was a hit and highly supportd by the church this man has done some stupid things. the talk of the life of Jesus has not been at more of a high than as a result of his movie. Does his unwise actions make his movie any less effective? Did it make him "more saved" because the church fully supported his efforts?

    You said:Or will their next movie have them cursing and engaging in lewd acts?"

    More than likely it will have cussin' but i didn't se any lewd acts, nor have I ever seen any in his material. (But I haven't sen all of his material either)

    So far as Jakes movie he lost me when the "Loosed Woman" killed the man, so I can't get with any of his works...you said this also:

    I'm not trying to be extremely judgemental but I know that black people are far better than having to stoop to Hollywood's standards for entertainment.

    I think we totally agree there. I don't believe that producers or entertainers that have a committment to Crist shoudlcompromise it under any c circumstance and i feel this is a conversation that is necessary for alol the reasons both you and i have outlined.

    Thanks, and feel free to share some more thought on this if you would.

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  7. I can do all things BUT spell so please forgive the errors-LOL

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  8. Thanks again for the response Pastor Harvey, and I totally understand your points however; I think we probably aren't looking as deep into this as we should.

    As I mentioned before I commend Tyler Perry on his success and talent. He is truly very good at what he does, however; I look at the people who are fans of Tyler Perry and who religiously keep up with his movies, shows, etc. Most of these people are not saved at all and have no desire to be saved. The media is extremly influential. There are people out here who look at these Tyler Perry films and actually think what Madea is saying is true scripture. This is what scares me.

    I definitly hold Tyler to the standards of his professed faith. He is certainly talented enough to make funny, entertaining, heartfelt movies without having people engaging in any type of immorality while making them.

    You mentioned Craige Lewis's quote regarding black people being the most immoral people in the country. His words were harsh however; there is a lot of truth there. Black people are really suffering when it comes to being tortured by strong holds and being in bondage by sin. The sad part about it is when we go to church our pulpits are full of pastors dealing with the same issues. Certain things like unwed mothers and drug and alcohol use are a norm in our communities. I've talked to people who see nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock.

    Altogether, I feel as though the church doesn't hold people that "we like" to the standard of the bible. People like Obama and Perry will be allowed to do whatever they like whenever they like as long as the church keeps supporting them. We have to stand strong for the Gospel and be like a tree planted by the waters.

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  9. Ashley,

    Thanks again for commenting. You said this:There are people out here who look at these Tyler Perry films and actually think what Madea is saying is true scripture. This is what scares me.

    Now there may be some who hold Mudea as some sort of authority, but for the most part I don't know of anyone who does. I saw an interview with him (Tyler) in which he said that he didn't want children to get the wrong impression that what Mudea said about the bible was accurate (because what he does is comedy) but I understand that sentiment, but for grown folks, I think that would just prove further that the church isn't doing their job and not so much as a reflection on Tyler, but the larger issues we fact societally.

    you said:You mentioned Craige Lewis's quote regarding black people being the most immoral people in the country. His words were harsh however; there is a lot of truth there

    I would agree that the observations are true but the analysis is not, neither is there a direct one to one in the stats to black morality. For one to properly place his statement into perspective a much broader observation must be made that includes desparity both economically, educationally and within the criminal justice system.

    Economically, industry, who by far an large employed a high percentage of ordinary black folk as factory workers, took ther business overseas due to pressure from union and fair trade laws. in the 70's this uprooted the black family in most major cities...This jumpstarted the rise in hip-hop.

    Some years later the "war on drugs" was undertaken by the gov't against, NOT the cartels, but against the street user and pusher and this was solidified with stringent national laws called "mandatory minimum sentencing"...this exported millions of black men out of the community, and left the door wide pen to the tragedy we see...

    When the man is gone and people are broke what happens? Behavior is directly effected. The black community has SUFFERED at the hands of this "abuse" and the reflection is what we see being played out in our streets.

    The SAD part is that the black church only responded with a self-serving interest and that continues today..."every man for himself"...whether in tape sales, special water, or self-promotion it's just the same.

    So black being the most immoral?...NO, not by a long shot. Blacks suffering as a result of a complete societal breakdown...YES!

    So his words are sensational, but not very responsible. I believe I can submit pertinent facts to back up and support each statement that I made here.

    it makes me wonder, if one views their ethnicity in the way he does, what does he think of himself? Then what does he think of others within the group? And if one rationalizes that one is somehow "better" than the rest that's an even more questionable view to me...

    Anyway, that's another story, but I appreciate examining this Tyler issue though.

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  10. Super/Ashley,
    I love you Pastor Burnett (my brother in Christ) but I mostly agree with Ashley. I do agree that TP may be trying to do what is right but there is a way that seems right unto a man but the end… Ashley mentioned the movie, Fireproof. This movie totally kept Christ as the center even though unsaved people were casted. There can be balance of having unsaved people without making a mockery out of God’s words. So TP movies may have VALID affirmations of godiness and faith, the gospel is still being mocked.
    I used to watch this man and I agree that he is talented but I am holy. I will not place unholy things in my life. I blogged to your site concerning the death of MJ this past summer. I mentioned that I had to stop myself from wanting to sing his songs because of the conviction of the Holy Ghost. Sometimes we want to be entertained BUT it cannot be at the cost of righteousness. You mentioned Mel Gibson's movie, the Passion and his personal life. He will deal with the Lord concerning his personal life but that movie was so powerful! I went to see the movie knowing that it accurately portrayed the passion of our Lord.
    I have movies galore that I have gotten rid of because I love God more and want to be holy and blameless. I love my community and the Lord did not take one memory from me so I don’t need to watch a tainted message to be in touch with what the black community needs. We see that when we watch TV, go to church, or drive to the hood. I strongly believe that Christians need holiness! We need to stop looking at the world who does not understand God for messages.
    Ask yourself if what TP does pleases the Lord. If you say yes, then may the Lord go with you. My spirit has told me to refrain and I love God more than I love unrighteousness.

    Meka

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  11. Meka,

    Thanks for commenting on this you said a few things that I'll note here:"There can be balance of having unsaved people without making a mockery out of God's words."

    What do you mean by mock God's word in this case?

    You said:"I will not place unholy things in my life."

    i appreciate your conviction and don't criticize it but please expound on this as it pertains to entertainment...Now do you mean "unholy" things that offer value statements or what? Example, I used to like the show ER. It wasn't holy. However ER offered no moral value statement either (until they got a lesbian ER Supv.)How about another...The Cospby Show...like it until this day...it's not holy but offers positive, nonbiblical value statements.

    I guess what I'm saying is are we somehow penalizing and reading more into Tyler's actions and things that he does than his peers? Are we erecting a false standard that makes the only acceptable message from Tyler one that resembles a church service from beginning to end...

    Now I say this at the risk of sounding liberal...I am not. I only don't want to make the error of creating a double standard and not being able to justify my position BIBLICALLY.

    You stated:"Ask yourself if what TP does pleases the Lord"

    It depends upon what he does. I agree the whole entertainment industry should be problematic for Christians, but don't paint the brother with a broad brush...As I say, I'm not looking to make an excuse for sin or wrong, however there are a lot of things that go on that need to be looked at by the church.

    At either rate, I appreciate the examination of the subject and certainly your time...feel free and let's keep examining this one.

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  12. Thanks for responding so fast.
    I do struggle with watching shows that are in the middle so to speak…shows that I know are not holy but not necessarily against the teaching of the Lord. I watch HGTV's House Hunters but I turn the channel when there is a gay couple on the show. There is a difference between watch a program that doesn’t glorify God or one that is against the teachings of God. I thought that I made my point as I contrasted Fireproof with the TP movie. I am not a liberal but I do agree with many liberal points. I used to watch Keith Oberman (sp) until I noticed that this man hates God. Then I stopped watching him.
    We all have the liberties that Paul expressed in his letter to the Corinthians but we also know that all things are not helpful. We cannot pass judgments on those who see no problem with watching these shows so brother I don’t and can’t condemn you one bit. I simply wanted to point out that as the Holy Spirit speaks we have to weigh His truth even in entertainment. Our family has a library of gospel movies that we watch and a few secular ones as well (http://www.christianfilms.com/). Our family criteria is that the show does not blaspheme the Lord, has minimum profanity, and no visible killings. Now someone else may have another standard and whatever that standard is, is between that person and the Lord.
    You asked me to clarify what I meant when I discussed mocking God. We all know that the Madea character intentionally misquotes scriptures and uses them to promote the character’s agenda. The character has done that in every movie that I have seen and I was grieved each time. Fireproof had unsaved characters but because if the church’s integrity decided not to have them to mock the word of God. My conscience is clear when I watch shows like that. My conscience would not be clear if I were to go and see another Madea movie expecting the character to mock the words of the Lord. Remember, He placed His word above His name. That’s deep!
    I certainly am in no position to make such a blanket statement concerning if TP ever pleases God but I do limit my question to His movies. A little leaven spoils the vine. I hope that scripture underscores my point. I pray that the Lord changes his heart and that he will began to make the same movies that are funny, relevant and holy. He can still make money because the brother is talented and has already established himself. I have nothing against TP and I wish him well but I wish that he stops straddling the fence. He can be funny and his movies be pleasing in the eye of the Lord.
    Love,
    Meka

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  13. Br. Lewis said:
    "Who better to strip America of it's morality than a representative of the most immoral group of people in the nation? Don't get mad at me, the numbers show that Blacks are the most immoral group in America and that we could care less about morality when it comes to looking good. The statistics on this matter show that we have the highest HIV rate, incarceration rate, drop out rate, STD rate, Abortion rate, murder rate, teen pregnancy rate, single parent rate, homosexual and lesbian rate, etc." ~ G. Craige Lewis Blogspot June 2010

    This is a dangerous oversimplification of the ills plaguing the black community. There is no analysis of the historical, political and economic blows that have rained upon the African American demographic. In fact, Br. Lewis' statement seems to attribute these trends to an innate moral flaw that black people inherently suffer.

    As for abortion...Br. Lewis' philosophy is the exact same one used by Planned Parenthood Matriarch Margaret Sanger to label black babies as "undesirables" wanting extermination.

    No mention of this as a mitigating factor in the stats we see today.

    On a national scale, Hitler also used this "moral flaw" criteria to slaughter the Jews.

    I am a firm believer in self-determination and personal responsiblitiy. As a race, we must do better.

    But imagine this: if Br. Lewis' depiction of African Americans as irreparable, amoral savages was adopted by a maniacal figure with access to massive power and resources... when the round up started, Br. Lewis, I do fear your black self may be declared "immoral" with the rest of those who look like you.

    Then what you gon do? Plead for "moral redemptive status" because your great granpappy's a white man?

    One last thing: America was stripped of its morality before Obama. In fact, it was never there to begin with.

    I'm curious as to what political era you ascribe morality to? The gool ol' days back in Virginny?

    *sigh*

    JJ

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  14. JJ,

    You said:"Br. Lewis, I do fear your black self may be declared "immoral" with the rest of those who look like you."

    AMEN!

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  15. Ultimately every individual will be judged according to their personal holiness, righteousness,godliness,sins,rebellion, disobedience and morals.Much has been done to plague the Black community but we are still accountable to God for our personal decisions and deeds,provisions have been made for all of us through Jesus Christ. The choice is ours,it's up to us but for many it seems easier to blame others than to be personally accountable.

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    Colossians 3:25:

    25But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

    James 4:17:

    17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Galatians 6:7:

    7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    Luke 12:47-48:

    47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

    48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

    Romans 1:18-32

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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    Maybe this was an overdose on scripture for some, but the truth of the Word is clear. Those that choose wrong suffer the consequences; especially those who know the truth and do it anyway.

    We might say every race does some wrong, but it's clear based on the PROPORTION of BLACKS that were introduced to the truth of the Word through the black church (which is falling away fast from being a staple of our community; might be gone already) that we have in much higher numbers (percentage) rejected the gospel of Christ for our own lifestyle.

    No, blacks are not the only folks God is imparting the scriptures to, but we have received the gospel in a more profound manner than those in other races based on my experience with the teachings of predominantly white, latino, asian, african churches.

    This will not go without punishment. Even in those remaining in the church, look at the convictions and standards being promoted. And these include a large number of folks raised under a holiness church that have subscribed to the new holiness standard where nearly everything goes. Sounds like the lukewarm churches are taking over, and God is repaying us for our falling away.

    We can blame socio-economics, politics, white folks, etc. But WE black folks are to blame for our situation. God has given us a unique opportunity to receive his Word for generations, and we don't appreciate how blessed we are in having that opportunity. So as he stated, for the sake of stardom and fame, we would rather pursue money and the trappings of this life via immoral behavior, or going against what we've been taught and know is right, and even what society agrees is right (however little is left of social morality).

    For example, we smoke the most of any race - surgeon general says this is bad for health; no need for bible, but the results are death from heart disease, lung diseases. I could go on forever.

    G Craige is right. These scriptures confirm the truth of the matter whether you agree with his presentation on it or not.

    How come these issues are in no other race on this level in America? Really consider that and stop trying to play the victim role.

    Repent, and get your house in order so you may escape the wrath to come. Clearly, God's wrath will begin with the house of God, and already has. The rest will get theirs too.

    Bless You

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  18. From Romans Chapter 3 (courtesy of Bible Gateway.com)

    9"What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
    "There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11there is no one who understands,
    no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one."
    13"Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit."
    "The poison of vipers is on their lips."
    14"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
    15"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
    16ruin and misery mark their ways,
    17and the way of peace they do not know."
    18"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
    19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

    21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."

    Sorry for the long quote. This discussion seems to have taken a grievious turn. We are all supposed to be one in Christ. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." My sin isn't any less grievious to God because I'm white. There is sin in THE Church.

    I'm not much into movies, so I won't be seeing Tyler Perry's new movie. I just wanted to comment on sin & the Church of Jesus Christ.

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  19. Just to clarify my previous post, we all need to allow the Holy Spirit to do His work in our lives by allowing Him to convict us of sin & to lead us to repentance. I just wanted to be sure that you guys didn't think that I was one of those "we all have sin, so let's just live in it" types.

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  20. Great discussion. The poroblem I had with the G. Craige statement is what I've said and he was and is wrong in his assessment. Not wrong in his observation.

    One can look at any statistic and draw a conclusion but will it be or is it the right conclusion...In this case NO and the facts back it up.

    So I agree with the truth not the personality. The facts are clear, there has been a conserted effort to destroy the black family. All the way from Margaret Stanger and Planned Parenthood to Federal Law and madatory minimum sentences which required that people that were primarily hurting themselves, (the drug user) was sent to jail given long sentences and the home and community has been exposed. Those are facts. Statistics only show the result.

    Responsible ministry places these events in order and not merely sensationalize what is observed.

    Black suuffer from the same disease as whites, asians, mexicans, russians, etc...SIN. Sin is the problem...What has the black church done for it's community?

    There are MANY black churches that have done well, but by far and large we've lagged behind...How many are teaching a class on evolution in their church? how does that effect anything? If man doesn't see himself as a creation of God how do we expect him/her to live?

    How many are teaching advanced biblical studies courses? How many have those things don't lend themselves to sensationalism but they give members substance?

    We're teaching prosperity classes and such the like, having dynamic services with very littel substance, SELLIN' DVD's and tapes, etc... and the community is under attack has suffered and we see the results...It's not becuase blacks are the most immoral...that's a flat out LIE...It's because blacks are under the MOST attack from the enemy...

    There is NO scripture that can be quoted to justify a racist statement such as his.

    Thanks.

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  21. Hello Again,

    I had to put in this one last comment as this discussion is really great!

    In regards to Elder Lewis's comment about black people being the most immoral group of people, according to the statistics; I have to agree with his comment because I understand where he is coming from.

    Yes, we as a people and our ancestry have suffered greatly in this country. I certainly know that racism still exist and it probably always will, even with Obama in office. However; our ancestors fought long and hard and even died for the priviledges that we take for granted. This is the United States of America, one of the only countries in the world where if you work hard enough you can freely reap the benefits.

    Basically, as a people, I do not think that we have any excuses for our failures. The resources are here for us and although they may not be "the best" or the easiest to get to we can do, and be anything that we so desire. There are plenty of rich black people (mostly hip hoppers) that could contribute good things to our communites but chose not to.

    I myself didn't have it easy. But I worked hard and managed to finish college. I don't mean to sound harsh but we as a people can be successful and reap the good that God so wants us to have, if we work hard and uphold a high standard. Our neighborhoods do not have to look like slums and our schools do not have to be the worst. If we were to all stand for a higher standard of living than we would get the respect from those who look at the statistics and count us out.

    In conclusion, we live in a world now where black people cannot play the victim any longer. Let's be victors in Christ by realizing our flaws, asking for God's help in deliverance, and moving forward from there.

    Love you all,

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  22. People say things that are not easy to hear. I guess anyone can debate if blacks are any more immoral than another race. Here’s my point. Let’s hear the heart of his statement and not split hairs. I am black show nuff and I clearly see immorality being the source of the problems among blacks. I am sorry that you or anyone else disagrees but in my life experiences I know that our problem is immorality just as the children of Israel were immorality. What is the answer? Of course, it’s Jesus! We spend too much time worrying about how someone said a thing. Maybe John the Baptist was too forward but it was the message that God gave him. Some may have called his statement inappropriate concerning Herod and his wife but he was right. I could argue that other races are immoral as well but the answer is getting people back to holiness. I don’t see why we work against each other. If he were making accusations concerning innocent people then we all need to deal with this but you and I know that there is much truth in his statements.
    Brothers and sisters will we please stop working against people who are on our side?

    Love Meka

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  23. Meka,

    Sister you know I'm glad for you and I love you too but you said this:"People say things that are not easy to hear.

    When things aren't true that makes them hard for me to hear...Any minister must be responsible when it comes to assessments of entire groups of people. What he said is not only unwise it's not true.

    Example, we would all agree that stealing billions of dollars in a ponzi scheme is immoral right? Weren't NOT ONE black person involved with Bernie Madoff...Does that make whites more immoral?...NO...that displays the nature of sin. This was the largest and worst theft in history...Mass murderers are by far and large white males...does that make them the most immoral persons?...NO...it only reveals sin.

    What G. said is sensational, but not factual and truth lovers must look at truth, be locked into it and affirm it not the personality behind the statement...

    That's how these charlatans that I feature on this blog arose with endorsements and affirmations of people affirming them and not "splitting hairs" with them assuming to know their hearts.

    Yes, I agree we should give leniency and look at intentions or what we "think" intentions might be. But that doesn't stop our ability to place a checkdown and say "I totally disagree with your assessment Mr. Whoever"

    John the Baptist was accurate...the man (Herod) had slept with his brother's wife and people were expecting a Messiah...He was rejected by Herod and more specifically Herrod's forme sister-in-law wife, not the people. They were yet going to see him and believing his message...

    So in short, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours, but pointing out cause in no way diminishes responsibility, it only places proper context on the situation and that's what the minister should do at all costs...I can factually place the context on our current condition. facts are our communities have been underserved and continue to be underserved both by social systems and the church where real and effective help can come from.

    We're no better than the next sensational TV preacher when we place truth above our ability to incite and sacrifice accuracy for sensationalism and ratings...

    I don't buy it, won't do and don't stand by them that do...I don't care who they "think" they are or what claim to fame they may have...

    Blessed my sistah

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  24. I think we also talked about mocking God in this thread talking aboyt Tyler...

    Now I understand that "mocking God" could be making a joke OF the bible...but I fail to see it as "mocking God" to make a joke" FROM the bible. I only say that because I've heard some people butcher scripture while trying to preach the bible.

    To me an ill equipped minister trying to set forth biblical truth that doesn't know what he's talking about is mocking God.

    Tyler Perry saying, "Peace, be still" while holding his gun isn't a bible mock...in fact that's how some people that couldn't read interpreted the bible unfortunately years ago...

    Example, we got a whole organization started right now over 1 word about baptism..."for" (gk:ies) does it mean "because of" or "in order to"? we've got preachers preaching it both ways...that may well be mocking God, I don't know...

    But if one isn't condemning the word of God, I don't see the mockery of it...although, I do hold that scriptures should be held in the highest of esteeem and maybe Tyler's practice doesn't hold the word in high esteem...maybe he should stop it on that basis, but mockery doesn't hit it to me...and i can't accuse him of mocking it.

    What do you you all think?

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  25. I think that the ministry God has given Craige Lewis has been a great spiritual benefit to the Black community and our Black youth because many have repented,been delivered and saved.This is more beneficial than the entertainment of Tyler Perry.

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  26. AnonymousOctober 1, 2009 2:38 AM,

    AGREED! But one does not have to offer sensationalism and handle information irresponsibly to preach, teach or get the message across. It speaks to credibility, and when one's credibility is in question everything is in question when it comes to giving information...

    Now, personally I know G. questions EVERYONE'S credibility and integrity. He is not somehow exepmt because he has done good works. In addition and in this case there is a good basis and supportable facts to bring his statement into question.

    The problem is favorite gospel personalities and we try to rationalize everything that they do as right...even you use a comparative method to say that what he has done is greater thatn what Tyler has done. That's a rationalization of wrong.

    What are we doing? Creating individuals who believe they are exempt from certain standards like Creflo and Eddie? Or will we affirm truth and righteousness at all costs no matter who that truth affects?

    G. is a good person and saved, no doubt, but this statement was over the top, irresponsible, offensive and not spiritually edifying...

    Believe me, he won't apologize for it though...once a person is locked in they become inflexible, but I have a right to place it in proper perspective.

    Thanks...and I'd appreciate a name with the handle next time please.

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  27. Super,
    So if he said that some blacks are immoral and need to repent would you disagree with that statement? Just curious. I don't think that what he said was a lie. I am not this man's adovcate but as a black person I see that many blacks do immoral things just and other races. I do believe that I pointed that out as well. So I want to get off of Mr. Lewis and get back to the heart of what needs to be addressed. There is alot of immorality in this world and that we need to get back to the truth of the gospel.

    I too love the truth and that is the main reason why I read what you write but I see something here is being missed concerning his comments. The black community is immmoral, even in the church and it's being tolerated. I agree with the message (from anyone's lips) that we need to get back to holiness.

    I am surprised that you used the word "charlatans" to state your disagreement with his comments. Thus far, I cannot agree with that statement. My eyes are wide open.

    I agree that the black community is underserved BUT what does that have to do with blacks being immoral? I came up very poor and was offered to trick, sell drugs, men wanted to take care of me, and drop out of school.

    These were adults in my community who were so immoral that they did not care that I was a preteen. I held on to my ingetrity. I was not saved then but I knew right from wrong. What they wanted me to do was wrong. I was hungry...I needed clothes...I was not the best student. But I made it through without compromising. I must also admit that there were some good people in my life who helped me and provided good opportunities so I don't want to paint a one-sided picture.

    I have seen some church goers who encourage bad behavior. I have seen those in the pulpit who have taught in Sunday school say and do things that contradicted the teachings of Christ. I left this church but I know that we have issues and the issues are that we are not being moral. So when I hear anyone who deals with the real issue then I cannot be against what is said. I am so tired of excuses. I have heard too many. I do and am ready for other believers in Christ to take a stand and to not be against others who also take a stand. We are so divided that it makes no sense.

    I still affirm that you are spliting hairs just by mnetioning other races. Don't you think that we already know that other races do evil too? Stick with the heart of the matter. I need to live where you live because perhaps there are moral, blacks with integrity there. In this part of the country I see truth to what the brother said. I also see truth to many things that you say as well. Just know that although I clearly do not agree with you, I am not against you but against this point that you and a few others are making.
    Love,
    Meka

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  28. Meka,

    You asked"So if he said that some blacks are immoral and need to repent would you disagree with that statement?"

    Let me ask this...if Former President Bush had said the same thing what would you think and say?

    G.'s statement was not based on spirituality it was rooted in racism. Racism whether from a preacher or not is still racism.

    His statistical observation wasn't a lie, but his assessment and evalution was wrong. I'll go so far as to say, God didn't give him that and God didn't direct it...it was emotional and only appeals to sensationalism...

    You said:I have seen some church goers who encourage bad behavior. I have seen those in the pulpit who have taught in Sunday school say and do things that contradicted the teachings of Christ.

    Sister, are blacks doing anything that humanity doesn't engage in? I mean we can look at this thing and see which I TOTALLY agree with you we're in bad shape but to say the most immoral is a step beyond and a simple untruth...

    Leave any people to the devices of sin and you'll get what we see in our communities...

    You said:" I need to live where you live because perhaps there are moral, blacks with integrity there."

    That one made me laugh for the day...I mean please come on if you the Lord leads you, but you'll find the same thing s that plague us all and that we see, however I'm not puttin black folk at the top of the list of immorality, there's plenty of that to go around over here-LOL

    And thank you sister, I appreciate the disagreement in LOVE...you really made my day and believe me I don't hold your points against you and yes, we're on the same team.

    Did you see The View this morning? This was the first day in a long time that I've had time to watch it...I may do a story on it. It was about religion evolution and such...they were saying some things I thought were significant reflections of our current moral dilemma in America...Anyway

    Love Ya Sister!

    BTW...Same goes for you Sister Ashley! The strength of the Lord be upon you both.

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  29. Meka said:
    "These were adults in my community who were so immoral that they did not care that I was a preteen. I held on to my ingetrity. I was not saved then but I knew right from wrong. What they wanted me to do was wrong. I was hungry...I needed clothes...I was not the best student. But I made it through without compromising. I must also admit that there were some good people in my life who helped me and provided good opportunities so I don't want to paint a one-sided picture"

    I am applauding you for having the strength and fortitude to make it through the circumstances that NO young black girl should have to endure. I'd give you a hug right now if I could!
    I'd also hug the ones who interacted honorably with you; as for the ones who targeted you...they deserve a punch in the face. (just joking...not)

    What Pastor Burnett is trying to teach here is the importance of critical thinking skills and how they have to be applied evenly to all figures and their statements.

    There has been no dispute here that black folk as a collective need to clean up their act. A return to the self-determination values of earlier generations would be huge.

    The problem w/ Br. Lewis using his platform (and he is quite a famous guy-there's power with that) to castigate the WHOLE of black people as immoral is this position could be used to justify mass extermination as the global competition for resources increase.

    We've seen it happen to our West African cousins in Rwanda and Sierra Leone. Millions of "immoral savages" were exterminated so more powerful groups had easier access to resources.

    In fact, their missions of death were claimed to have been authorized by "God". Many of the generals commanding the murderous troups were also popular Christian leaders.

    By correlation, can you see how it can be dangerous for OUR Christian leaders to make such pronouncements?

    The day is approaching when resources will be cut off from poor black communities. Declaring the residents of these communites to be "immoral" will eliminate any small pangs of guilt those in power may have. The reasoning becomes "they deserve it".

    This will be applied to a kid like yourself -who's a winner- but is now expendible simply because they are stuck in an crime-riddled environment.

    Please imagine this scenario and how unjust you would feel to be sentenced to the fate of the masses.

    In this day and age, it is SERIOUS for leaders to use their influence in sensational ways. Their words are filtering up to the nefarious powers-that-be, and the results may be most unexpected to the average impressionable black church-goer.

    Pastor B is actually sounding an alarm. Let all who have ears hear.

    JJ

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  30. Super/JJ,
    I hear you and thanks for your kind words and concern. I know that I am not the only success story but many have fallen by the wayside. I have a heart for those people.

    I am only say wow! I am not even thinking on that level considering your analysis on how you believe Mr. Lewis' speech could take away rights of blacks. I am not sure if things will get out of hand but I do understand why blacks don't want to hear the type of speech that he preaches.

    Okay...if we canot discuss what is going on in the community without someone believing that our rights will be taken away then how do we deal with our problems? I appreciate you both but I am still not yet convinced of your claims. I will definitely keep your words in my heart and give it some time and prayer. Thanks again


    Super,
    I read your comments and I laughed with you. To answer your question concerning G. Bush. I am sorry but I would not receive a word that he says. That man is a proven liar to me and I would not consider anything he says. In fact if he said that blacks were in bad shape then I would believe that blacks are on the come up for sure. Perhaps that is how you feel about Mr. Lewis. I am not sure. You and brother J.J. gave me some things to consider concerning the black on black crime of mis speaking for the community. Time will tell but I still say that we need for holiness to be taught then we would not have to worry aobut what people say about us including our own race because the Lord will be on our side.

    Brother, one attribute of love is listening. We will listen to each other, sometimes agree to disagree, and other times plant good seed. I don't know the if what you are saying is 100% accurate but I hear you loud and clear.

    Meka

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  31. Meka,

    Thank you so much for your kindness. You asked this:"Okay...if we cannot discuss what is going on in the community without someone believing that our rights will be taken away then how do we deal with our problems?"

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I do believe that what both JJ and I are sayign is that we have a responsibility as ministers to be as responsible as possible with information. Secondly we should look beneath the surface to really see what's going on.

    Now, what JJ said is true and historically statements like that have been used to justify atrocities. Hitler and the Thrid reich convinced the German population that the Jews were the reason for German economic and social mal content. Hitler wasn't put in check and people bought into the idea.

    I'm not saying that G. is a Hitler or even has that much influence, however I am saying that statemnts like these when compunded and not placed in check are devastating and have their effect on people and do very little if nothing to adress the sin.

    Some people want to be who they are called...some people wish to be considered immoral etc...however when a whole group is castigated that displays racism and the same God that saved us will save us from racism too...

    It's just sad when a person thinks that they've somehow escaped even though they belong to the same group they criticize...I say take ownership...instead of "Black people" or "they" say "WE". Place self in it and take responsibility for fixing the problem not perpetuating it further.

    We've got a problem in Chicago right now and the Lord has an answer. It's not "them" that's in trouble, it's "us" and we need to fix it.

    So that's all we're saying. Speak the truth, but words must not be idle and they must be seasoned with grace...In another post I call Ricky Dillard a sister...why, because he wants to be one...no need in hiding, but even he's not representative of all homosexuals, because some of them don't want to be the way they are. don't castigate the group for one.

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  32. Hello super,
    I get you on some of your points. I do hope that you are wrong about him... Yes, Chicago has many problems and we must pray for our people...well all people.

    In reading your comments I remember prophets like Daniel praying saying that we sinned against God so that point hit home. I want to hope the best for everyone and I hope that is brother is on our side. I read your article concerning sister Dillard (LOL! actually it's sad). I did not know know who this person was until I heard this one guy clowning him on a video blog. I found the video that he was discussing from a gospel music award show. I never watch them but I was able to find a potion of the show online. The Dillard guy performed like he was at a gay pride pageant. I was shocked to say the least. We really need to guard our hearts and to let people know that gospel music is a ministry. We should never stand to listen to a preacher who is in sin and won't repent.

    The church that our family left had a powerful minister of music. In fact he is getting a reputation around the nation but I know in my heart that he has homosexual spirits on him. I won't say that he has acted on this but it's so there. He can sang (southern girl) and the people love him but I noticed that we had a good amount of questionable people at my old church. When I say questionable, I mean that they are like spirits with my old minister of music. We had to leave that church for many reasons but his demeanor was the most distrubing to us.
    We do have so many problems and I pray that the Lord uses us mightily to lead the people of God into His truth. Keep on preaching just knowing that we are listening and praying for the right answers.
    Love,
    Meka

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  33. Barbra Walters, "Where do you see yourself in the next 10 years?"

    Tyler Perry, "Somewhere on the beach smoking my first joint."

    Source: 10 Most Interesting People 2009 ABC 12/9/2009

    Saw it and heard it with my own eyes and ears...what a shame!

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  34. Just read this,

    The problem I have had with Tyler Perry movies is that though he may joke about scripture continually, its not balanced with sound scriptural teaching. If you are going to make jokes then atleast lets get the sound gospel in, in other words the bible shouldnt be use predominantly for a joke if it should be at all. Truly the problem with man is that we are sinners, Christ can break any stronghold.

    I just may try to rent this though.

    Blessings!!!

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