Thanks largely to the African Methodists of one of the United States largest denominations, the United Methodist Church will maintain the integrity of the scriptures by refusing to extend rights of membership to homosexual couples and individuals seeking such without repenting or turing from their lifestyle.What was effectively rejected was known as Amendment 1. Under this amendment all one had to do was affirm or establish a relationship with Christ. They would then be "eligible to become professing members in any local church in the connection". The amendment failed to receive two thirds support of the membership in 27 out of the 44 conferences reporting results.
How Did Such Amendment Get On The Table?
According to the United Methodist Church website, A Methodist Pastor refused to receive a homosexual man into membership in 2005, because the proposed member would not repent nor seek to live a different lifestyle. According to the article a report was made to the Bishop and the pastor was placed on a leave of absence.
Later that same year (10/2005), the Judicial Council ruled that United Methodist pastors have authority to decide who becomes a member of a local church and reinstated the pastor. That case triggered appeals to the Judicial Council, but the court declined to reconsider its ruling.
Leading Up To This
The United Methodist Church seems to have been balancing this issue for a number of years in their General Conference's establishment of rules regulations and resolutions. In the 2000 Book of Discipline and 2000 Book of Resolutions the following statements were made:
Section: Inclusiveness Of The Church
"The United Methodist Church is a part of the church universal, which is one Body in Christ. Therefore all persons shall be eligible to attend its worship services, to participate in its programs, and, when they take the appropriate vows, to be admitted into its membership in any local church in the connection."
Section: "Human Sexuality"
Subsection: "The Nurturing Community,"
"Homosexual persons no less than heterosexual persons are individuals of sacred worth. All persons need the ministry and guidance of the church in their struggles for human fulfillment, as well as the spiritual and emotional care of a fellowship that enables reconciling relationships with God, with others, and with self. Although we do not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching, we affirm that God's grace is available to all. We implore families and churches not to reject or condemn their lesbian and gay members and friends. We commit ourselves to be in ministry for and with all persons."
Section: Law Dealing With Clergy
Sub-Section: Unauthorized Conduct
"Ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions shall not be conducted by our ministers and shall not be conducted in our churches."
Soulforce, a Christian gay rights activist group headed by apostate theologian Mel White, has previously stated:"It is as much our moral responsibility not to cooperate with evil as it is to cooperate with good. The United Methodist Church has become evil at its core."
"The United Methodist Church, with over 10 million members, condemns homosexual persons by calling all sexual activity between people of the same gender as "incompatible with Christian teachings." The denomination also forbids its ministers from performing both marriages and commitmitment ceremonies for same-gender couples. Additionally, United Methodist Church doctrine bans "self-avowed practing homosexuals" from the clergy.
One of the greatest delusions of the homosexual agenda is the confusion as found in the writings of Soulforce. To assert that the United Methodist Church "condemns homosexual persons" by not allowing them membership to the church is a LIE and obfuscation of the truth.
The only "person" that would be condemned under the United Method Church rule would be the person who love their SIN more than they love God. The real question is why should homosexual individuals be given preferential treatment in membership? For example in 2004 the United Methodist Church adopted the following regulations regarding REPENTANT pedophiles and their participation within the church:
ADOPTED 2004 READOPTED 2008 (Resolution # 8009)Resolution #355, 2004 Book of Resolutions:
"We encourage the Church to provide a safe environment, counsel, and support for the victim. While we deplore the actions of the abuser, we affirm that person to be in need of God’s redeeming love."The repentant pedophile is welcomed similar to the repentant homosexual. This is simply an example that issues of sexual immorality of all kinds have been addressed by this church. What is really at question by the dissenters is the word of the Lord against homosexuality. Unfortunately too many believers are not convinced that the bible condemns the practice of homosexuality and have no idea as to how to navigate the scriptures regarding such activities. I have addressed one aspect of that question in my article Homosexuality In The New Testament.
"Welcoming a child sex offender into a congregation must be accompanied by thorough knowledge, careful planning, and long-term monitoring..."A convicted and/or registered sex offender who wishes to be part of a church community should expect to have conditions placed on his or her participation. Indeed, offenders who have been in treatment and are truly committed to living a life free of further abuse will be the first to declare that, in order to accomplish that, they must structure a life that includes on-going treatment, accountability mechanisms, and lack of access to children"
Closing Remarks:
Thank God there are individuals such as Bishop James Stanton of the Episcopal Diocese of Texas, willing to stand against sin as referenced by Gcmwatch.com, it is incumbent upon the church both leaders and its members to stand and continue to stand against evil of all kinds and sorts. Homosexuality is not the ONLY issue facing the 21st century church but it is a major and one that challenges the future morality of the nation and the church. Whether science ever finds a homosexual gene or not, homosexuality is immoral and a practice that should be repented of so that fellowship with Christ and his church can be established. Those who reject the gospel truth against unrighteousness are the ones that are "evil to the core" not the ones who desire to uphold biblical morality.
Blessed!
IMO it's utterly ridiculous for a homosexual to want to be a Christian. It's basically the same thing as if a Jew wanted to join a Neo-Nazi group, or if a black man wanted to join the Klu Klux Klan. Nonsensical. (Nightmare shakes his head in distaste and confusion)
ReplyDeleteC'mon Nightmare,
ReplyDeleteHomosexuals want to be Christians so they can deal with their guilt and sins the same way as most other people do, the only problem is that God has a prescription on what is sin and how to deal with it and sometimes that "what" is offensive to people...
You analogies are rather over the top but I understand your pagan point of view-LOL
Anyway, my question is why should homosexuality be favored by homosexual groups and other sexual subgroups excluded? That's the question in my mind. What makes them feel that their SIN is prefereed over others and that the church should just accept it?
BTW,
ReplyDeleteTo clarify things for the reader, we're not referencing the African Methodist Church or the (AME). It was primarily due to the African United Methodist churches that this amendment wasn't passed. So kudos for standing up for biblical truth to the entire conference but in particularly those member churches.
District Supt. Harvey Burnett said...
ReplyDeleteHomosexuals want to be Christians so they can deal with their guilt and sins the same way as most other people do,
Really? Hmm interesting concept - gonna have to talk to my friends on that. I think they may disagree.
Me, I don't do guilt so I wouldn't know ;)
You analogies are rather over the top
True dat, I just couldn't think of any better way to express the fundamental illogic of an individual wanting to belong to a group that is dogmatically opposed to what he or she is.
Anyway, my question is why should homosexuality be favored by homosexual groups and other sexual subgroups excluded?
Wouldn't know, straight as one can be here.
My ideals my change with time and wisdom, but the way I see it, Jesus hung out with hookers, theives and I'm thinking a drunk or two also. Like He said, healthy folks don't need doctors.
ReplyDeleteIf ya don't have your act together though... meaning living the righteous lifestyle... ya got no business in the clergy or any postion of authority in any church.
So how is this done? Homosexuals are asking for church membership? Why can't they just refuse membership but welcome them as non-members? I really don't know about Methodist protocol.
I'm just imagining one more "atheist" saying that God rejected him in his thinking and bitterness, when it was actually the church. And without the conviction of the Holy Spirit, I don't imagine many turn from that lifestyle just because someone tells them God hates it.
Laura, Im 50/50 with your comments.
ReplyDeleteThey read part social, part biblical so Im not sure exactly where you lean most.
But, its fiction that Jesus "hung out" with sinners. He did no such thing. He encountered sinners who were desparately in need of his power to set them free. And every one he encountered, were set free. There is no narrative I know of which depicts Jesus "hanging out" with them. In essense, Jesus lived and practiced a totally purposeful life.
Secondly, I agree that no sinner should be in a leadership position in God's church. Secret sin is one thing and God will deal with that, but open, willful rebellion against God's word should be strongly put down.
Sure any homosexual should be able to come in the physical church and sit down. But the mistake is that the gay christian movement has no such goal. They want equal rights. That's a worldly concept. Sin doesnt entitle you to equal rights in the Kingdom. It only promises one will not inherit God's Kingdom.
Thats the truth and we shouldnt apologize for that.
So far as membership goes, membership is an important part about the survival of the physical or organizational church. Only members can have say in the operations and ministry of the church.
ReplyDeleteTo have homosexuals involved in that portion of church operation becomes troublesome because of the homosexual agenda. For instance, normally speaking, homosexuals set the stage for other homosexuals and agenda to involve other homosexuals. Why would an unrepentant homosexual want to do anything that would promote other homosexuals to repent?
In this case when you have a homosexual who is unrepentant or doesn't think what they're doing is wrong and they are exalted to the status of "membership" where ministry direction is involved, they will normally promote activities favorable to their lifestyle.
The church (even the Methodist Church)is always open to anyone. But when we talk membership we're talking a different feature or aspect of the church.
For a homosexual to want to be a members and yet declare his works to be biblical tells the whole story...he/she wants others to relinquish their biblical positions in deference to the homoseical lifestyle and that's absurd.
Laura said...
ReplyDeleteMy ideals my change with time and wisdom, but the way I see it, Jesus hung out with hookers, theives and I'm thinking a drunk or two also. Like He said, healthy folks don't need doctors.
I wrote an essay about that back in the day...
gcmwatch said...
But, its fiction that Jesus "hung out" with sinners. He did no such thing.
Reading comprehension help needed? There are many cases throughout the gospels where he is pictured hanging out with sinners in the sense Laura mentions. The scene of his first miracle for instance.
District Supt. Harvey Burnett said...
To have homosexuals involved in that portion of church operation becomes troublesome because of the homosexual agenda.
What is it that you feel the "homosexual agenda" includes or works towards? Because you (and many others) make it sound like some vast conspiracy for world domination or something...
Nightmare, I know you were asking Harvey, but I'd like to put my two cents in as to the way I see it, if you don't mind.
ReplyDeleteAs we watch our morals deteriorate in this country, and they ARE deteriorating, what becomes normal and acceptable is what the public determines. We hold ourselves to a Higher standard, wanting to honor God in all things - and not succumb to the group think.
LOL, just thinking now about a friend that asked "Do you Christians think you are more moral than everyone else?" I bent over backwards trying to explain that I had no such lofty thoughts. But in light of some of the changes this country is taking, I see that morality is sooo subjective. The group think is that homosexuals have the right to happiness too (marriage), and without God in the picture, it's a reasonable argument.
But we are not without God, are we? The argument was that everyone is born with a sense of right and wrong - also reasonable, but when the line gets more and more blurry, right becomes what the majority says it is.
When Harvey says the "homosexual agenda", I immediately think "total acceptance" of their lifestyle being what they want. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" won't allow that. Sexual immorality of all kinds seems to be an especially grievous sin in the eyes of the Lord. We know this because He told us, and we can't ignore that and still honor Him.
Laura said...
ReplyDeleteNightmare, I know you were asking Harvey, but I'd like to put my two cents in as to the way I see it, if you don't mind.
No prob, tis what the internet is for :D (btw, been having problems trying to get back to you, just sent a mail on my hotmail account, hopefully that will work).
As we watch our morals deteriorate in this country, and they ARE deteriorating,
From a Christian perspective perhaps, but then Christianity isn't the only culture in the world.
what becomes normal and acceptable is what the public determines.
As is normal in all cultures, including Christianity.
We hold ourselves to a Higher standard, wanting to honor God in all things - and not succumb to the group think.....But we are not without God, are we?
Yes, we are. Because simply put, no one can prove in any objective manner that your god (or mine, or anyone else's) exists. Thus, what we are left having to deal with as a society is beliefs.
Since we a forced to deal with such matters merely on a belief level, and since different groups have sometimes widely divergent beliefs, we must find some way to live together as a society in spite of this. Because after all, would you (or Harvey or whoever) like it very much if say an Islamic majority forced you to live in such a way as echoed their beliefs? How about if a theistic Satanist majority did the same?
The founders of this country came up with the idea that to have a functioning society we must all be treated equally and not be forced to obey the beliefs of any one given group. A good idea in my opinion - certainly a good way to avoid the religious wars that dominated a good chunk of European history.
The argument was that everyone is born with a sense of right and wrong - also reasonable
Untrue actually. The concept of right and wrong, is largely learned from our parents and as part of the socialization process. A number of disorders can and do interfere with this, resulting in anti-social and aberrant (ie evil) behavior in some cases.
When Harvey says the "homosexual agenda", I immediately think "total acceptance" of their lifestyle being what they want.
What would "total acceptance" imply? Equal rights under the law? What is wrong with that?
"Love the sinner, hate the sin" won't allow that.
That axiom simply does not work in truth. In practice it becomes "hate the sinner", largely because how others perceive our character is primarily based on our actions (and rightly so).
Sexual immorality of all kinds seems to be an especially grievous sin in the eyes of the Lord. We know this because He told us, and we can't ignore that and still honor Him.
Well, as I note, it's senseless for a homosexual to want to be a Christian in the first place.
gcmwatch said "Laura, Im 50/50 with your comments.
ReplyDeleteThey read part social, part biblical so Im not sure exactly where you lean most."
Hi gcm. I lean towards not pointing fingers. Jesus didn't stay cooped up in some greenhouse temple waiting for sinners to come to Him - He got out among the people with sores and sick hearts. Judas was stealing from their group money-bag and not one negative word was said of him by Jesus. There's nothing we can hide from the Lord.
But Jesus had quite a bit to say about the "religious" of His day, didn't He? If I sound 50/50, it's because I think we have to strike a cord between love and judgment - the two extremes. Somewhere in between patting them on the back and saying "don't worry about it - God loves you" and screaming at them from the pulpit that "they're gonna burn!"
"Love the sinner, hate the sin" won't allow that.
ReplyDeleteThat axiom simply does not work in truth. In practice it becomes "hate the sinner", largely because how others perceive our character is primarily based on our actions (and rightly so).
Hi Nightmare. I'll check my email.
If your brother was an alcoholic and couldn't kick the stuff, would you hate him? If your sister was a druggie and stole from you, would you hate her?
When you were a Christian, did you ever try to stop some sin because you were told it was sin, and failed?
Did the Holy Spirit ever convict you of a sin that you then overcame?
Laura said...
ReplyDeleteIf your brother was an alcoholic and couldn't kick the stuff, would you hate him? If your sister was a druggie and stole from you, would you hate her?
Nope, but then I generally try not to judge people for things like that. After all, we've all had our screw ups. Peoples attitudes and the actions indicative of them I judge far more harshly. Not that I'm kindly to those who take action against me of course ;)
When you were a Christian, did you ever try to stop some sin because you were told it was sin, and failed?
Yup.
Did the Holy Spirit ever convict you of a sin that you then overcame?
That's a tough one. At the time I believed so. However, reflecting on it now I would say I was likely just responding to the context and attitudes of others. (I refer the incident in my story. Hopefully you'll get it this time)
But Jesus had quite a bit to say about the "religious" of His day, didn't He?
ReplyDeleteYes, Jesus pointed fingers at those religious leaders who perverted the law. He also condemned others and told them their father was the devil. He also had great compassion on some. He even used a whip agains some who defiled the house of God. No compassion there. So dont try to box Jesus into your perspective. Different situations require different responses all motivated by love for God.
Thats about all that's being said to homosexuals who claim to be following Christ but promote sexual immorality. Just like the pharisees and "religious" of Christ's day. The religious homosexuals display the same arrogant disregard for God's will as did the pharisees of biblical times.
No one can straddle the fence. Not even you. Go and sin no more is what it is: compassionate judgment.
Btw, based on what you said, how do you handle homosexuals in church who want full acceptance? That was I think at the heart of Pastor Burnett's article.
There are many cases throughout the gospels where he is pictured hanging out with sinners in the sense Laura mentions. The scene of his first miracle for instance.
ReplyDeletePlease cite the scripture where it characterizes those at the wedding of Cana as sinners. Note his mother was in attendance.
The only way the "sinner" tag would apply is if you are talking about everyone in the whole wide world prior to his death and ascension.
Nightmare,
ReplyDeleteYea...what Laura said!-LOL
Nightmare,
ReplyDeleteYou said:"What would "total acceptance" imply? Equal rights under the law? What is wrong with that?"
The rights of humanity aren't at issue and have never been at issue here. The rights to give a special place to someone because they have an immoral sexual attraction towards the same sex is. If we extend rights based on how people have sex, then what is the criteria and where does it stop? It becomes a flood gate that is absurd.
No, don's discriminate in employment but don't expect me to do special things for you because you love immorality.
Secondly, when it comes to the law of God and the guideline for his church, there is no compromise that is acceptable.
There is no such thing in the Bible as a Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc etc. Those are all man made divisions. Paul warns against such divisions in the book of Corinthians. There is only ONE church, ONE faith, and ONE Lord. Let us all repent of our unbiblical divisiveness of denominationalism.
ReplyDeleteCarson,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your commentary, but answere a question for me if you can...How many religious groups were in existence in the days of Jesus? There were Zealots and Essenes and Ebionites for example. There were Pharisees and then after Jesus died there were Judaizers who wanted Christians to revert to Judaic practices and ceremonialisms...The point is that during Jesus life Jesus never condemned ONE group for being a group. He condemned the Pharisees for their practices and others for the condition of their hearts but never a condemnation against a group for being a group...
The question is how do we got off so easily saying thet we should be like Jesus when we do what Jesus obviously didn't do on earth especially as it pertained to them that believe?
I agree we shouldn't be so divided but identification with any Christian group isn't the problem, ungodly practices are.
gcmwatch said "He even used a whip agains some who defiled the house of God. No compassion there. So dont try to box Jesus into your perspective. Different situations require different responses all motivated by love for God."
ReplyDeleteYou're preachin' to the choir, gcm. I totally agree that there are situations where we can not bend! But like you said, different situations...let's not be so rigid in our judgments that we lose our love and burden for the lost.
To be clear - my stand as to the topic is that unrepentant homosexuals shouldn't gain voting membership in any church, nor should they be in any position of authority within a church.
That said, will a homosexual ever be convicted by the Holy Spirit without having first received Christ? No. And how might they receive the Word with gladness if there isn't a preacher? If the church closes it's doors to them because they are currently unrepentant?
Aren't you GLAD that Jesus didn't ask us to clean up our acts before coming to Him! Shoot...I have moments of down-right self-righteousness when things are going well and I think I must be pretty good, before He slam-dunks me back to reality with the next thing that needs work, and surprisingly, these things are not on the 10 ten list of sins.
Thinking back to teaching bible study with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth... Until the Holy Spirit speaks to us, we aren't going to be motivated to make the changes in our lives when we don't see our behaviors as a problem. And without HIM, we can do nothing.
So yes, we must be unbending that the homosexual lifestyle is a sin, but without Jesus, they can do nothing.
Harvy said "If we extend rights based on how people have sex, then what is the criteria and where does it stop? It becomes a flood gate that is absurd."
ReplyDeleteExactly. We don't go the direction of the blowing wind. Our Heavenly Father "changeth not".
I didn't see any "divisiveness of denominations" here. We can talk about certain church policies without being divisive, I think.
ReplyDeleteI admit that I have read the 7 letters to the 7 churches in Rev. 2 and 3 and guessed what denominations each were. We all may be One Church, but that doesn't mean we all are without flaws in the eyes of our Lord.
Paul warned them against "I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas, I am of Paul", and even "I am of Christ." There is a superiority complex with teachings, doctrines, church polity, music ministries, gifts of the spirit, etc etc.
ReplyDelete"MY church" is bigger, and better, and more fun, and better doctrine, and more of God's presence, and more ministries and more outreach and more friendly, and more and more and more.
We always invite people to OUR church to hear OUR wonderful pastor, and OUR wonderful choir or music. Why are there churches right across the street from one another???? Something has gone terribly wrong!
Carson,
ReplyDeleteYou asked:"Why are there churches right across the street from one another????"
Because there just happens to be a lot of peole that need to be saved. Many never complain when there's bars across the street from one another or bowling alleys down the stree or even grocery stores down the stree from each other...Then Rx stores galore, Walgreens, CVS, etc...nobody complains...all essentially the same products but some only shop certain places...are they wrong for having so many...reasoning along those lines is absurd.
God's children are diverse and that's beautiful. Name the church what it's names and serve God, we certainly don't want any one particular church to be the ONLY church allowed to worship at.
Listen, we understand your point but this thread isn't the place for that type of argument. The Methodis church did a good thing and should be noted for it.
Laura,
Sinners of all types should be allowed into the church and like you said that's the place for them and you and me.
I do exactly what you said in our church, people can come, but when it comes time for promotion, that's where the buck stops. Unless there's a solid confession in conjunction with actions there is no promotion to leadership in any manner. That's far too important and people do not need to be confused as to where the church stands on issues.
Good job.
I'm just sorry I can't TYPE...eeek!
ReplyDeletegcmwatch said...
ReplyDeletePlease cite the scripture where it characterizes those at the wedding of Cana as sinners. Note his mother was in attendance.
The only way the "sinner" tag would apply is if you are talking about everyone in the whole wide world prior to his death and ascension.
In a word, bingo. That is the doctrine of your religion after all. Regardless, I do recall other passages, but lack the memory of chapter and verse (was never good with that), the time, and the motivation to dig through and find them. Perhaps Laura would be so kind?
District Supt. Harvey Burnett said...
ReplyDeletethey have an immoral sexual attraction towards the same sex is.
Immoral in your belief system. Who does it actually hurt though?
No, don's discriminate in employment but don't expect me to do special things for you because you love immorality.
What would you define as "special things"?
Secondly, when it comes to the law of God and the guideline for his church, there is no compromise that is acceptable.
To clarify my position, IMO the ability of homosexuals to hold religious offices or have church membership should be up to each church. Such is a religious issue, not a civil one. And like I said, there's no logical reason for a homosexual to want to be a Christian.
Civil matters - marriage, anti-discrimination, things of that sort - I hold that homosexuals should be afforded the same rights as everyone else. Because, to paraphrase your statement, if we start denying people rights based on how they have sex, where then does it stop?
Note, however, I am talking about consenting sex between adults. Pedophiles and rapists should be executed. Period.
Good job.
ReplyDeleteBack at 'cha Harvey. I'm really enjoying your topics and discussions and my brain seems to be expanding, lol. I don't know how I ended up in a place where I haven't been able to freely speak my faith with fellow believers, so this has been a refreshing change. I've learned a lot already.
Denominations started over DISUNITY and DISAGREEMENTS in the body of Christ. They came from Christians refusing to come together and live in one accord in ONE faith. Denominations are a sin against God and His word!
ReplyDeleteCarson said...
ReplyDeleteDenominations started over DISUNITY and DISAGREEMENTS in the body of Christ. They came from Christians refusing to come together and live in one accord in ONE faith. Denominations are a sin against God and His word!
Disagreements over doctrine, dogma, canon, and virtually everything else. If such things were clear in the original source (the bible) or made universally clear to all (ain't that the holy spirit's job?) such disagreements wouldn't have occurred. As it stands, the plethora of Christian denominations and sects is yet another elegant argument against the Christian conception of god (a popular one over at DC I may add).
But, like Harvey said, that ain't what this thread is about.
Nightmare,
ReplyDeleteWe Christians still struggle with pride and arrogance. It is not the Holy Spirit's fault!
Nightmare,
ReplyDeleteYou said:"As it stands, the plethora of Christian denominations and sects is yet another elegant argument against the Christian conception of god"
Hardly...The variations of worship styles and attendence to certain aspects of Christianity by certain groups as opposed to others only display the vastness of what there is to know about God. Out of all major denominations within Christianity there is total agreement that Jesus is God, without him noone can be saved, that his work upon the cross removes sin in response to believing faith and that he rose from the grave bodily to display his power of life and death. These things aren't debated among true Christians. HOW they are done maybe, but the essentials have been consistent for over 2000 years.
Now variations within Christianity are only a problem for people who want to control it all and have a superiority complex. Other than that I'm glad for Methodist friends, Lutheran friends, reformed friends and all because all add very valuable dimensions to Christian service. We really need to see the big picture.
Laura,
ReplyDeleteThanks and we're learning a lot from you too...Feel free to speak because you certainly add a blessed dimension to the convo.
You play "possum" a little bit too much-LOL but a blessed dimension still!
The big picture is that denominationalism is a direct sin against the word of God. Divisiveness and sectarianism in ANY form is a sin. Denominations are a sinful stench in the Kingdom of God. They are 100% contrary to the word of God.
ReplyDeleteCarson,
ReplyDeleteWhere is that at in the bible? Chapter and verse.
I don't like ranters...You sound like Mr. Collins and he's not welcomed by any other name so don't get banned.
Denoninations are DIVISIONS that come from DIVISIVNESS.
ReplyDeleteTitus 3:10-11 "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
So then all denominations are warped, sinful, and self condemned.
Carson,
ReplyDeleteThat scripture has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with denominations and denominational divisions...this is a interdisciplinary scripture for an individual who is doing what you do...sew discord among the church and brethern...
I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME...Where is the chapter and verse of your assertion? You'll have no more opportunities and I may band you if you persist with this foolish and UNFOUNDED dogma and assertion of yours...Get relevent or get off da page! If not I'll help you by blocking you...
Please abide by the request. Thank you.
Gee Carson what a way to hijack someone's blog with divisive comments that are off track to say the least. How ironic that you cited that scripture. Being warned twice now, Pastor Burnett should ban you.
ReplyDeleteLearn to follow the conversation.
And by the way, denominations are perfectly fine, denominationalism isnt.
One things is for sure this cat doesn't know the difference...and I believe I'll follow your advice GCMwatch. Laura told me about the last charlatan savedbyapostasy and I let him slide and he was a total idiot...I think he's Carson. No biblical understanding, superimposition and twisting of scripture to affirms his beliefs and can't stay focused on the discussion...certainly a winning combination!
ReplyDeletegmcwatch said: "denominations are perfectly fine, denominationalism isnt."
ReplyDeleteWhat???? What????
Carson,
ReplyDeleteYou've got no more opportunities. Obvioulsy you don't know what you're talking about and you can't stay on point...You're outta here!
bye,bye!