Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Osama "Exactly When Did He Die?" bin Laden

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Osama (or Usama) Bin Laden was said to have been killed 5/2/2011, by US Special Forces entering Pakistan. While I certainly applaud the bravery and committment to duty of those seeking to bring Osama to justice, I am left scratching my head as to what happened and who was actually killed. This is why?

According to FOX News report in 12/26/2001 Osama was already dead and had been dead for about 10 years: Here is the article in it's entirety just in case it gets deleted somehow:
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

"Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader. 
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."
Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."
To the contrary the New York Times and virtually all news agencies report that Osama was killed during the recent raid and buried at sea according to Muslim burial rights and customs. Here's part of their report:
"Osama bin Laden was a son of the Saudi elite whose radical violent campaign to recreate a seventh-century Muslim empire redefined the threat of terrorism for the 21st century.

With the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, Bin Laden was elevated to the realm of evil in the American imagination once reserved for dictators like Hitler and Stalin. He was a new national enemy, his face on wanted posters, gloating on videotapes, taunting the United States and Western civilization.
He was killed on May 2, 2011, by American military and C.I.A. operatives who tracked him to a compound in Pakistan and shot him during a firefight.

President Obama announced the death in a televised address to the nation from Washington, where it was still late on the night of May 1. "Justice has been done,'' he declared.
The United States had been trying to kill or capture Bin Laden since it launched an invasion of Afghanistan in November 2001. The next month, he escaped from American and Afghan troops at an Afghan mountain redoubt called Tora Bora, near the border with Pakistan. For more than nine years afterward, he remained an elusive, shadowy figure frustratingly beyond the grasp of his pursuers and thought to be hiding somewhere in Pakistan's remote tribal areas and plotting new attacks.

When he was hunted down, Bin Laden was killed not in the wilderness but rather in the city of Abbottadad, about an hour’s drive drive north of the capital of Islamabad, raising anew questions about whether the Pakistani intelligence services had played a role in harboring him."
New York Times "The Death Of Osama bin Laden" 5/3/11
Currently Fox News reports that the Seals were able to do DNA and facial recognition to virtually positively identify bin Laden, although the body was given to the sea shortly after his death. Here is a link to Muslim Funeral Rites

The question is, if all this is true, why did FOX report back in 2001 that Osama was dead and did they every retract the story if they were wrong? I could find no retractions.

What's really going on here?


It is interesting that Navy Seal Team 6 consisting of about 24 of America's bravest was given this mission. I'll say no more about that for the moment.

Extra: Added 5/20/2011


  1. Thanks for your posts. Like many other fellow Americans, I don't know what to think! This went down quite strangely. For a national media that tends to blab everything, this was really kept quiet until now. God knows...

  2. Osama Bin Laden was ALREADY DEAD http://srggos.tk/h

  3. I have my doubts. The news said 16 people knew and nothing was leaked. My issue is why so much concern for Muslim tradition? As one commentator said. We should have brought his body back to states. Too much happened within 24 hours. 40 minute firefight, helicopter crash, no US wounded, killed him unarmed just hard for me to believe. And took his body 1000 km to be buried at see and not show pictures. They hung Sadam Hussein in the streets.

  4. Now, do you guys know what you are saying (LOL!) This would mean that the whole turn of events was staged for public consumption.

    Now, I am not convinced that our President or governmental officials would do that...am I naive?

    I mean the implications of that are enormous...this would mean that either the soldiers and the intelligence was wrong and killed an innocent man (if they killed anyone) or that they deliberately did this to conceal for some political purpose etc...

    Now, what else is going on while we are distracted with this???

  5. Obama's trying to get re-elected...first, the birth certificate comes out, then right after that Bin Laden is killed...wasnt a Bin Laden tape released right before the elections in 2004?..these public "servants" arent above manipulating the media to achieve their ends..look up Edward Bernays, the father of PR...the government is still using plays from his playbook,lol

  6. I have sometimes felt that much of the mainstream media broadcasts what "they" want us to hear and see. Much that goes on out here never even makes a ripple or gets very little, if any, attention or face time.

  7. Now, I "prefer" to think that Fox News simply made a mistake and reported that "another" Osama bin Laden had passed away...Now I know that there are probably thousands with the same name...what you think about that one???

    On the other hand, IF what we have been told is false, then you collusion from everyone we know at top levels including news agencies, military, etc...I simply can't fathom that is likely...Now, one thing that does make me unsettled, the congress persons were "led to believe" that photos they had seen were of Osama...they said they are angry because the pics were false...

    However, if one wanted to expose a "leak" or someone who will leak information, then you would give them false info and see what happens...The pictures didn't show up from their hands. I guess what I'm saying is do we think its healthy to be so critical and skeptical of our leadership and of certain actions that we hear and see. Obviously the congressional leaders have some integrity to stand up and say what happened so far as their involvement is concerned.

    I am unaware of an explanation for this, especially in light of the fact that the "true photos" will not be released...Even if they were, I don't think anything would be settled at this point. There is far too much skepticism and I wonder is that really healthy?

  8. The White House reported that UBL was unarmed, yet they killed him for making a "threatening move". Lets analyze this for a moment:

    Seal Team goes in and takes out the couriers and UBL's wife. UBL is alone, is very ill...remember, its been reported that he has a serious physical ailment ....yet, this warrior elite killed a sickly man for making a threatening move. What kind of move would have he made? What, he had nukes he would have detonated???

    My problem with this story is why they killed him. It doesn't make sense. If all they say is true about him (for the record I don't believe he is the "master mind" behind 911...etc...etc...), taking him alive would have allowed for interrogations for much needed intel. After all, he would be "in the know"; and, then he could be tried and hopefully convicted of his part in 911.

    I know there are those that would say taking him alive would make matters worse with the islamic world...but, so what???? If this guy is who the PTB say he is, milk him for every piece of intel he has. Unless of course, the "intel" would be damaging to the USA.

    This whole thing stinks.

  9. I mean I think it all stinks too!!! There seems to be so many things left questionable...Now, you were talking about Osama's failing health...however, the news distinctly reported that from the footage they saw there was no special medicine, no dialysis machines, etc...There was no evidence that anyone in the house had any special medical conditions.

    Who was this that they killed???They say facial recognition and DNA evidence, but when did they ever gather the original DNA evidence???

    Had Osama gone through some ultra secret US program...he was a US ally when they were fighting the Russians...

    This is a real mess as far as I'm concerned...

  10. One more thing...The SEALS involved, I believe were men of utmost integrity following orders. That is really the only thing here that makes me want to just hold the horses on this whole thing.

    I just have a hard time thinking that those fellas would be a part of a grand conspiracy...maybe I am the most naive person in the world...

  11. This is just the strangest chain of events I have ever read. Gosh I am so tired of the PTB's thinking we are so dumb and naive to believe what ever they give us at face value.

    I know there is more to this than what we have been told. There are too many unanswered questions and there is no body to examine not even a picture!

  12. So far as the burial was concerned, I did find some information regarding Islamic burial traditions...but isn't there a difference between enemy combatant burials and regular civilian burials??? I mean even if it's not in Islamic law, shouldn't there be a difference in the way we handle an enemy of the US and an honorable civilian at the time of death???

    Last I understood, Osama was an outlaw and war criminal against the United States. Granted, I don't think he should have been buried on American soil, but his body could have been examined, certified and cremated. I don't know if he should have been handed back over to his surviving family, but at least cremated under US Officials oversight.

    Is a burial at sea even according to Islamic custom???

  13. From the report I saw tonight, IF we are to believe anythign that is reported, there was a straight kill order placed on bin Laden. The SEALS went in to shoot everything armed or unarmed. The only one's they didn't kill were the children. They shot all the male adults to kill and to injure the women, armed or unarmed.

    In fact it is said that all individuals in the house were unarmed.

    This was a straight assasination and kill, not a seek and take captive or something like that. In fact they said the only one's that were shooting, was the SEAL team. I'm sure they were simply following orders.

  14. I think it was staged....his body was too conveniently disposed of. And Supt. Burnett I really dont trust the govt. as far as I can throw it.

  15. Only God and the people there know what really happened. I have no doubt they killed these folks both for what they did, and what they knew. You can imagine the dirt UBL could reveal on the Bush family, and a myriad of others in governments everywhere.

    Also, I suspect the CIA had operators involved in this, and it was probably them that went into UBL's room to take care of him, and secure the intel. The SEAL team probably secured the premises, gained entry, and provided cover for the CIA boys to do the rest. This is all speculation, but I can't believe SEAL members would know how to distinguish between intel and garbage. They would have required CIA operatives who spoke and read the language, and would be willing to assasinate someone. SEALS are not assassins, and I doubt they would have the time to rummage through stuff, and have to worry about the pakistani cavalry coming through the doors. No way.

    As for the burial at sea....it makes sense to me. Why not. Lets face it, not only did they not want this guy to have a proper burial, but I am sure they examined his body thoroughly, just in case he swallowed something during the event (hide evidence...if junkies can swallow bags of heroin, UBL could swallow a usb key).

    Bottom line is, we will never know, and Obama got a bump in the polls, courtesy of his muslim brother, Usama. How nice.


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