Wednesday, April 1, 2009

G-20, The "Mystery Of Iniquity" Doth Already Work

2 Thess. 2:7-12 ~ "7-For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8-And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9-Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10-And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11-And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12-That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Now, I want to be the first to say that I don't follow conspiracy theories with too much attention or dogmatism. After having some of the debates I've had with atheists over the last year or two, I've learned that some people can be enamoured with parallels to the point to where they become obsessive. We should be reminded that parallels are just what they are, ONLY PARALLELS. That is, unless, there is something so overwhelming that it demands our attention, consideration and further study. I believe that this particular topic demands all of that and then some.

On the one hand there are fancy conjectures and all sorts of theories that don't pan out or hold water such as we see in Dan Brown's popular and best selling book and movie, The Da Vinci Code. Then, on the other hand there is less sexy but factual information offered by Biblical scholars such as Paul Copan, Daniel Wallace and Darrell Bock to name a few. These men have actually applied scholarly study and methodological disciplines to scripture to arrive at factual and well balanced observations of what biblical authors were communicating to us.

One only need read the Bible to find that there are patterns of writing, numbers and certain techniques that the Biblical authors used to relay the message that God had given them.Certainly obscure patterns are not what the Christian lives by, however when we do see authentic patterns of certain information it's worth taking note of and trying to learn the lessons which are taught by those patterns. For example: Paul Copan, in his book, "That's Just Your Interpretation" (Baker Books 2001) pg. 147 notes the following patterns in Genesis:

  • "The prologue of Genesis 1:1-2:4a is tightly packed and highly structured, using symbolic numbers, three, seven and ten. Genesis 1:1 contains seven Hebrew words, and the first section of Genesis is divided into seven sections.Genesis 1:2 contains fourteen (twice seven) words. The two key words in Genesis 1:1 occur in Genesis 1:1-2:4a in multiples of seven: God (elohim) occurs 35 times, and earth/land (eretz) is found 21 times. The paragraph on the sabbath has thirty-five words. The prologue of Genesis, anticipating the ten "words" or commandments in Exodus 20, is carefully arranged around ten divine commands."
Dr. Copan goes on to note the repetition of the following phrases in Genesis ch 1:

"And God said" :10 times
"let there be" : 7 times
"Make": 7 times
"firmament": 21 times (7 x 3)
"according to their kind" : 10 times
"and it was so" : 7 times
"and God saw that it was good {tob}" : 7 times; (the word tob {good} is a contrasting word play or pun on tohu [desolate] in 1:2)
God "blessed" :3 times
God "creates" 3 times

These patterns are regularly observable and served the purpose of allowing scriptures to be taught, recited and retained by memory due to the oral tradition and culture in which the messages were brought forth, but even at that there are developing and overarching patterns that God doesn't deviate from as he communicates his message through history. In fact many of the signs types and shadows of apocalyptic literature are base wholly on OT (Old Testament) repetitions and concepts revealed under the OT foreshadowing.

Can We See Signs Of The Same Today?

Now, I'm not a numerologist and I don't claim to be smart enough to know all that is being presented before our eyes everyday. So much information is coming at us so quickly during this time that information overload is and can be a problem. One can become so desensitized until one misses the most important pieces of information that really tells the story of what's going on behind the scenes. I believe that a story is being told right now as we live and that we only need to awaken to what is actually happening all around us to see that story in real time. Through God's word we already know how the story will unfold. So our confidence is certainly in the facts of the sustaining word of God that we have received. I believe that a spiritual agenda is going forth and only them that have spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear can and will. Let's look at a few of these things by starting with some history.

Follow The Money Trail

After the Sept. 11th attacks on the United States, America's only interest was catching the terrorists who had promoted the ungodly acts that had been perpetuated upon Americans and upon American soil. Out of all the strategies used to identify the culprits and groups responsible for these crimes, there was one strategy that rose above all others. It was soon found out that in order to catch these terrorists all one had to do was "Follow The Money Trail". There were millions of dollars in resources applied to finding out where the money was going and when it went. Whole organizations had bank accounts seized both domestically and internationally as they were believed to be linked to terrorism because of large and regular cash transfers that went to "shadow" organizations who were fronts for terrorist groups.

I believe that as followers of Christ in order to know what's happening now, all we need do is "Follow The Money Trail" in order to see what the enemy (satan) is doing through men, countries, and even churches in this nation. Why? Because satan is known as the god of this world. (2 Cor. 4:4). He systematically controls the functions of this world.

In fact during the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness after his baptism, satan took (paralambano- to become an associate or companion together) Jesus and showed (deiknuo -exposed to the eyes giving evidence or proof) him "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;" (Mt. 4:8) The word "glory" (doxa) is often used as it pertains to worship of God. In this case satan showed Jesus the worshipful obeisance of the material world. Then he (satan) said this:

Mt. 4:8-9 ~ 9-And saith unto him, All these things will I {satan}give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. {emphasis added} This was a bold but telling statement. According to satan, Jesus would receive all the worlds worshipful obeisance (glory) IF he (Jesus) would simply make a deal.

2 facts are indisputable here: 1- satan had the power to take and show Jesus the world, the kingdoms, and their 'glory" which includes their money and 2- All this was in effort to seduce Jesus into establishing an agreement whereby Jesus himself would become an agent of the enemy and a participant within the world's system.

1 Tim. 4:1~"1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

To all of this Jesus responded by saying:

Mt. 4:10 ~ 10-Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Notice that Jesus, although in a superior position as Lord, DID NOT challenge satan's authority to this world or ability to "give" Jesus anything. He could have very well and successfully challenged satan's authority ad minimized the gift in light of the fact that he possessed all of the universe and an infinite number of whatever he anted or desired. However Jesus chose to emphasize the worship of God above the effects and accolades of the world. This whole event was so strong upon the flesh of Jesus that the angelic host had to minister to him afterward:

Mt. 4: 11~ 11-Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

This was certainly the reason and example of James in his book ch.4:7 ~

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Jesus gave money a physical and living attribute when he called it Mammon. He said the following in Mt. 6: 24 and Lk. 16:9:

Mt. 6:24 ~"24- No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

Mammon~ mamonas (Strongs 3126), a common Aramaic word for "riches," akin to a Hebrew word signifying "to be firm, steadfast" (whence "Amen"), hence, "that which is to be trusted"; Gesenius regards it as derived from a Heb. word signifying "treasure" (Gen. 43:23); it is a personification of riches in Matt. 6:24; Luke 16:9, 11, 13. It is also a word which often occurs in the Chaldee Targums of Onkelos and later writers, and in the Syriac version, and which signifies "riches." ~ [W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger and William White, Vine’s complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996.& William Smith; revised and edited by F.N. and M.A. Peloubet, Smith’s Bible dictionary [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997.]

Paul also said this:

1 Tim. 6:10 ~ "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

Paul says that the "love of money" is the ROOT (rhiza- metaphorically; offspring) of all evil. Although tradition has taught many to think of this verse as "the love of money" being the basis or foundation from which evil springs, there is another interpretation based on the application of the wording that suggests that the love of money is what evil produces, proliferates and regards. (ie; because one is evil, one has a disorderly affection for material) This is wholly consistent with the thought that that what defiles a man is NOT what is placed in him (flesh) but what comes out of him. (Mt. 15:11) The world and it's system only has one thing at heart and in regards to it. The preservation of Money, self and flesh.

1 John 2:15-16 ~ "15-Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16-For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

The Creation Of International Monetary Summits

According to all things seem to begin in 1940 with the meeting of what is called The Allies Of WWII. They were the British Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Formally USSR) (initially allied with Nazi Germany), and the United States of America. These nations were known as "The Big Three".

U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt referred to The Big Three and China as the "Four Policemen". Poland and France, before its defeat in 1940 and after Operation Torch in 1942, were also considered major allies. This move led to the establishment of the United Nations during December of 1941 and the declaration of the United Nations on Jan. 1st 1942.

By 1944 the number of these Allied Nations grew to 44. During the first three weeks of July 1944, 730 delegates from these nations met at the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, for the first United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference. This meeting was directed by John Maynard Keynes, who headed the U.K. delegation, was a private citizen appointed for his brilliant work in macroeconomic theory and practice. Then there was Harry Dexter White who had worked his way up to a senior position in the U.S. Treasury Department. During this initial summit there was no political posturing or heads of state involved in decision making. Remember, this was the first ever conference of the sort in modern world history. The object was to rebuild or reconstruct the international economic system that had been ravished and was being ravished as a result of WWII. What was essential as groundwork for this was the signing of the The Atlantic Charter (8/14/1941) (before the UN was founded) which affirmed the right of all nations to equal access to trade and raw materials. The charter called for 1- freedom of the seas, (a principal U.S. foreign policy aim since France and Britain had first threatened U.S. shipping in the 1790s), 2- the disarmament of aggressors, and 3- the "establishment of a wider and permanent system of general security." The opening of the seas in 1941 under The Atlantic Charter was essential to what was eventually adopted and became known as the Bretton Woods Agreement or Brenton Woods Monetary System in 1944.

Rev. 13:1-9 ~ "1-And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2-And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3-And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4-And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5-And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6-And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7-And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8-And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9-If any man have an ear, let him hear."

The Bretton Woods Agreement or System, established rules for commercial and financial relations among the world's major industrial states in the mid 20th century. The system dealt with international monetary exchange rates, currency backing and more importantly established the following 2 entities:

These organizations became fully operational in 1945 after a sufficient number of countries had ratified the agreement.

The particular doctrine that seemingly gave import to all of these ideas was a doctrine called "Economic Security". History accounts that the "brainchild" of this idea, was former US Secretary Of State, Cordell Hull, (1933-1944), who held economic insecurity and uneven trade gaps as being responsible for the World Wars. This method was in his mind, the only way to gain a "reasonable chance at lasting peace". These are his words:

"[U]nhampered trade dovetailed with peace; high tariffs, trade barriers, and unfair economic competition, with war…if we could get a freer flow of trade…freer in the sense of fewer discriminations and obstructions…so that one country would not be deadly jealous of another and the living standards of all countries might rise, thereby eliminating the economic dissatisfaction that breeds war, we might have a reasonable chance of lasting peace." ~ Hull, Cordell (1948). The Memoirs of Cordell Hull: vol. 1. New York: Macmillan. pp. 81.

In other words Mr. Hull was convinced that if every nation had access to economic security (money) and free trade that the chances of "lasting" peace would be exponentially increased globally.

Ecc. 10:19 ~ "19-A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

The G's ~ World Economic Summits

The G-7 (aka: Group of Seven) was formulated by France in 1975, when Canada joined the Group of Six: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, and United States. This was and is a meeting of the finance ministers of these countries to discuss global economic policies. The meet several times per year most notably, 4/11/2008, 10/10/2008 both in Washington, DC, and most recently 10/10/2009 in Rome to commit to taking "all necessary steps" to help stem the global economic crisis (See: Simon Kennedy, "G7 Commit to 'All Necessary Steps' to Stem Meltdown (Update3), Bloomberg L.P., October 11, 2008 20:56 EDT) What is somewhat confusing is that current usage of the term "G-6" refers to the 6 most populous nations of the European Union instead of the countries that were originally a part of the G-6 effort.

G-8 (aka: The Group Of Eight) Is representative of the original G-6 nations France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, United States then Canada and Russia (1977). In addition, the European Union is represented within the G8, but cannot host or chair a meeting (The EU has the privileges and obligations of membership but does not host/chair summits. It is represented by the Commission and Council Presidents. 967. "EU and the G8". European Commission) Topics of this meeting are said to include health, law enforcement, labor, economic and social development, energy, environment, foreign affairs, justice and interior, terrorism, and trade.

The G-20 (aka: the Group of Twenty, Heads Of State, and Central Bank Governors)
Hailed as the group that is most representative of the worlds economic powers the G-20 includes 19 countries plus one (eg: the 27 members states of the European Union). The primary members are: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States plus the European Union which is represented by the rotating council presidency and the European Central Bank.

Whereas the other G groups and Summits seek guidence and advice of financial heads and chiefs of representative countries, this group seeks heads of countries as the group or body to address world financial problems and conditions. This leaves the floor open to political and dramatic displays and self promotion on the world scene as we have seen displayed leading up to this years meeting. It also is a time in which politically elected officials or national talking heads can grandstand and return favors internationally by openly standing for and asserting certain agenda.

In 2008, 66 Years after the United Nations was founded in 1942 a renewed world Economic Summit named G-20 (aka Bretton Woods II) took place in Washington, DC. on Nov. 14 & 15th 2008 with a primary purpose of addressing the new global economic crisis. Leading up to that summit it is interesting to note that French President Nicolas Sarkozy, on September 26, 2008, said, "we must rethink the financial system from scratch, as at Bretton Woods.”

Demands & ChangesOf Order From Eastern Kings

Leading up to the 2009 summit, fairly new G-20 member nation China, the world's largest holder of U.S. debt, ($1.45 trillion in U.S. securities at the end of 2008, out of a total $1.9 trillion in foreign reserves) has called for a totally revamped international monetary system in which the US Dollar is replaced by a new "super soveriegn" reserve currency.

Rev. 6:12 ~ "12-And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

What is really interesting is that 3 years prior to that Stern School Of Business Economics Professor Nouriel Roubini and former staff economist at the US Dept. Of The Treasury released a statement saying this:

  • "If the US does not take policy steps to reduce its need for external financing before it exhausts the world’s central banks willingness to keep adding to their dollar reserves – and if the rest of the world does not take steps to reduce its dependence on an unsustainable expansion in US domestic demand to support its own growth – the risk of a hard landing for the US and global economy will grow. The basic outlines of a hard landing are easy to envision: a sharp fall in the value of the US dollar, a rapid increase in US long-term interest rates and a sharp fall in the price of a range of risk assets including equities and housing. The asset price adjustment would lead to a severe slowdown in the US, and the fall in US imports associated with the US slowdown and the dollar’s fall would lead to a global severe economic slowdown, if not an outright recession" ~ Nouriel Roubini, Brad Setser (February 2005). "Will the Bretton Woods 2 Regime Unravel Soon? The Risk of a Hard Landing in 2005-2006"
April 2nd 2009 the G-20 Economic Summit will conveine in London England amid much fanfare and protest and a global economic crisis that the G Summits were designed to address. There are some startling facts about these summits that warrants the relay of information especially in light of the times and scripture itself.

Rev. 17:1-2 ~ "1-And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2-With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication."

As evidenced in Cana (John 2:3) there can be no great celebrations on the earth under the worlds system without money. The "kings of the earth" is symbolic terminology for leaders and heads of state.
Observations & Numbers:
This section deals with strictly observations and associations. One can simply write this off as coincidence, chance or even number manipulation, that's OK and believe me, there is enough obvious and in your face information that one need not rely on these associations to conclude that something is going on.
Along with the research I have done, I asked an individual who has also done study along these lines to review this history. The following information is what was brought to attention based on the initial review of history:
I. The Numerical Value Of G
(a) Value of G is 400 according to the Medieval Roman Numeral Value System
(b) The Gregorian Calendar is based on a 400 year cycle
II. Renewed Economic Summit
(a) 2008 aproximately 66 Years AFTER founding of UN in 1942
III. The Big Three
(a) 40/3 =13 (wicca)(as in 1940 / big 3)
(b) 40/6 = 6.66666

IV. The Atlantic Charter (8/14/1941):
(a) 1941/6 = 323 (3*2) =6; (2*3) =6
(b) 8+1+4 =13
(c) 8+4 (1*4) = 12/2 =6
(d) 8+1+4+1+9+4=1 = 28 (2-8 =6)

V. Nicolas Sarkozy, on September 26, 2008
(a) Sept = 9th month (Gregorian calendar) +2+6 = 17 (1-7=6)
(b) 2008; 2-8 = 6
(c) reverse the "9" in Sept and you get a 6

VI. G-6 Nations
(a) g = 7+6 = 13
(b) 13/6 = 2.1666

VII. 2009-1940 = 69
(a) 6+9 = 15 (1+5=6)
(b) reverse the 9 in (a) = 6
VIII. Secretary Of State Actions 3/31/2009
(a) The Hague, Netherlands, Hillary Clinton Petetions 80 nations for support and financial assistance with Afghanistan praising the dutch (netherlands) for their committment of 1700 troops in Afghanistan who are on the front lines of the battle.
(b) The Netherlands is the FIRST country in the world to legalize homosexual marriage.
(c) COGIC (a Pentecostal/Holiness chrurch) was the first church to sign onto the UDHR in the Hague, Netherlands.
IX. Pre G-20 Ministers Of Finance Meeting 3/14/2009
(a) Location: Horsham, England named either because it was a fsettlement where horses were kept or after the saxon worrior who had been given land in the area.
(b) John Weekes Horsham (may or may not be related) was charged with murder and robbery of a woman along with three accomplices and sentenced to death by pressing (crushing) He was the last man put to death using that method.
(b) The last man to be put to death for homosexuality in England was in Horsham in 1834
X. Abundance Of Leap Year Actions
According to The Gregorian Calendar Rules, a leap year is figured if it is 1- divisable by 4 but NOT 100 or 2- divisable by 400.
(a) Big Three met -1940 - Leap Year
(b) Bretton Woods Monetary System Created (IMF & IBRD) - 1944 - Leap Year
(c) Cordell Hull's statements regarding money and world peace - 1948 - Leap year
(d) Renewed World economic Summit G-20 - 2008- Leap Year (also 66 years later as referenced)
In this writing we see "signs" "shades" and "shadows" of the "mystery of iniquity which doth already work" Coincidences? Maybe, Number manipulation? Maybe, but based on what we know about God speaking through eternity and revealing himself in many ways, including his word, one is warranted to not go to sleep on any of this or what we will see in the near short -term future. When money is placed along side of political ambition and worldly popularity there will always be a problem. There was one so problematic in heaven that satan was kicked out for it ( Is. 14:12-15, Lk. 10:18) What about those on earth? I invite you to share your views on this and more.
Rev. 12:12 ~ "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."


  1. By the way,

    We fully are aware of the taditional intrpretations of the scriptures referenced. There's also preterism which teaches that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled already. I don't hold to that view as I am convinced that God's word is eternal, has a natural and spiritual element and deals at times with more than one event throughout history.

    So this article is not about affirming a biblical method of interpretation.


  2. Pastor Burnett, I was hanging with it until the "math"...LOL!
    But all jokes aside, this was an "end-time" post indeed, all I can comment is that I'm watching and praying at this point in my Christian walk because our redemption draws nearer than when we first believed...

    Sister Pat

  3. This, my brother Pastor, is dizzying. Im going to print it out and study it like it was a final exam.

    Thanks so much for doing the hard work. Now its up to us to open our eyes and see the what is clearly before us in these end times.

    You said it succinctly: the mystery of iniquity is already at work in plain view among us.

    People of God, ignorance is no longer an excuse.

  4. Sister Pat and Gcmwatch,

    I know the math seems like a little streatch but look at it again. I've added another section on leap years.

    The study of the calendar is a very interesting piece. There is a lot of things wrapped up in it. The number inversions on the post aren't mine but the person that looks at this sort of stuff has some revealing insights into things of this sort.

    As I said though, if this sort of thing didn't exist, we already have more than enough information in scripture to tell us what's happening and why IF we're receptive to those understandings.

    One thing that I'm doing, is stripping away some of the more "theological" understandings and interpretations of some of the apocalyptic literature that I've had. I believe "theologically correct" interpretatins have deadened what the message is really trying to reveal to us. That leads me to another thought, I'm not so sure if all those "scholarly interpretations" were even correct to begin with...One thing that troubles me is the minimization of supernatural intervention with the exception of the rapture which most of Christianity wants to occur BEFORE antichrist but scripture seems to teach otherwise.

    Another thing, we've been taught that references to the "sea" is generally the "sea" of people or a nation of individuals. What if there is a more literal interpretive for some of these scriptures? What if "sea" indicates the mode or method of transportation of goods (money) and was referencing international trade and monetary issues ARISING out of the actual transportation over the "sea" or "seas" and out of the "sea" of men or mankind???

    Out of all things the world doesn't get along in, it gets along in MONEY and international trade and there aren't too many transactions that don't involve the crossing of a "sea".

    There is something else that stands out also. That's the development of the UDHR, the rise of homosexual agenda, and the reversions seemingly full circle bace to the premises espoused by the Netherlands. This is an interwoven and interconnected mess...I haven't even address the interlocking of the abnking system and how only certain wealthy famies are distributors of wealth internationally and to the world...And by the way, NONE of them sell oil.

    You said it right Elder Foster, "dizzying"!

    Blessed My Friends

  5. See Pastor B,
    You've put a whole nother "spin" on this. That beast out of the "sea" is something to make you go "hmmm"...I totally concur with what you've said...I don't even think our finite minds can fully grasp the "totality" of what's heading our way in this world.

    I was just thinking to myself, why is this current government admin so "hell bent" on pushing this homosexual's just unreal with so many other pending issues, that the homosexual related ones seem to be pushed in the forefront. I've heard teaching that the "anti-christ will of course be of a homosexual nature because he/it is contrary to anything of God, and we know how God feels about homosexuality.

    Wow, just so much...and I agre with gmcwatch, we as Christians truly are without "excuse!" You can only be led into the ditch if you don't have "your eyes" open. (I'm talking spiritual of course!)

    Be blessed Saints,
    Sister Pat

  6. Sister Pat,

    Without doubt the religio-critic and "hermeneutic-specialist" will look and say, "That's not the proper interpretive method" etc...but the scripture says

    Amos 3:7-8"7-Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. 8-The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?"

    In other words God reveals to his people without discrimination and noone has a lock on biblical understanding and just when we think we do God, reveals another something that we missed.

    When dealing with apocalyptic literature you need just as much spiritual leading and guidence as cognitive understanding. My observations should encourage study and a second look at various aspects of things just like you've indicated that it's done for you.

    Another thing is this, there's a difference between deciphering an event and looking ofr "secret knowledge". What I'm attempting to do is decipher or look at the footprint that has been left and judging the steps that are being made as opposed to finding a "secret knowledge". That's very important because one can get into mysticism if not careful or spiritually led.

    Then you made not of the homosexual agenda...One thing stands out...the homo-agenda is attached to ALL of this. It has come along conveniently for the ride...Look at The Hauge, look at Horsham...I mean the reminder of homosexuality is right there on every hand. You also reference Daniel that said this:

    Dan.11:37-38"37-Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38-But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

    Now the preterist believes this 'anti-Christ charecter" was fulfilled on or slightly before AD 70 and as an archetype I believe it was, but not as an ultimate finality.

    This scripture however, points out quite a few characteristics that cannot be overlooked:

    *No regard for the god of his fathers - religious background

    *No regard for the desire of women - possible homosexual

    *No regard for any god - atheist

    *Magnify himself above all - self promoter

    *Honors the god of "forces"- many say this is military might, but it could also be abstract and self concepts such as Buddhism or Hinduism which bases it religious concepts on "forces". similar to "Star wars" "may the "force" be with you"

    *He worships with gold, silver, precious stones and pleasant things... can't do any of this without MONEY and monetary benefits.

    I believe that we are seeing this set up even if it doesn't culminate in our lifetime...

    One more thing. What makes this generation different from others historically? the rampant rise in atheistic thought, the homo-agenda and moral evils, and the ability to take that around the world in almost 60 seconds is totally unique to this generation. That argument alone is enough to reevaluate our interpretations of God's word.

    Thanks sister...stay blessed!

  7. Pastor your commentary speaks volumes in reference to the Daniel passage which I have studied some time ago. Particularly as to women, Christ elevated the status of women, the antichrist devalues them via transsexualism (a mockery of women), lesbianism(inversion of the beauty of a woman), male homosexuality(a rejection of God's procreative gift and command with the woman), abortion (murder of the woman's seed) and perhaps even this great contemporary mistrust of marriage (uncovering for the woman). I believe all of this is embedded in that phrase "nor the desire of women".

    You also said which is key that God is not leaving us in the dark to figure this out on our own, nor is he being silent. He is speaking and revealing to his prophets so that the people may be warned. That is out of his deep agape for humanity despite its rejection of Him.

    The confluence of these various human systems should at the very least be a sign that something is amiss in the spirit world. It should heighten our spiritual sensitivities and cause us to turn to God and his Word for the answers.

    But satan has somewhat temporarily eclipsed the light of the church with a obsessive chase after money and now...and obsessive fear over the lack of money. This two pronged face punch, he is working to institutionalize sexual immorality, murder, and rejection of God's authority.


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