tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post5703221914605406187..comments2024-03-27T11:13:34.520-05:00Comments on The Dunamis Word: Zachery Tims..."W" Can Mean Many ThingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-4842993841777419092012-10-28T21:12:44.382-05:002012-10-28T21:12:44.382-05:00Praywithangel,
Thanks for commenting and yes this...Praywithangel,<br /><br />Thanks for commenting and yes this issue continues even if out of site of the news, but it's pretty academic by now. Everyone knows what happened in this case. <br /><br />Now so far as Riva is concerned, and how she could have "helped" him, I mean a person has got to want help before anyone, even a spouse, can help them. <br /><br />From what I see Zach didn't exactly want help, or at least he wanted help on his own terms. his continued drug use only damped and desensitized the mind and spirit opening him up to sexual deviance. What was she supposed to do with that aside from pray and continue to raise her family?<br /><br />In each of our own personal situations hind-sight is always 20/20...so I don't know, but I am sure she is probably saying that she could have done things differently as well, but we have all been there. <br /><br />Short of the long, this man should have been motivated to get help for himself and to help him live out his commitment to God and the people. Sad thing is that he wasn't motivated to do so.<br /><br />Thanks again. District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-85464622179809737952012-10-27T23:35:32.066-05:002012-10-27T23:35:32.066-05:00I have read the different articles on this young m...I have read the different articles on this young man of God & it is sad that this happened to him without other great leaders in the ministry pulling him to the side to confront him about his insecurities with his flesh. What is even sadder is the body of Jesus Christ gets no glory in this. Our churches & that is about 90% of our churches now focus on personality, prosperity & primping before a camera. It grieves my spirit so I know it must grieve Gods spirit. The body of Jesus Christ is not to be put on stage or in a movie to get the holy ghost. It just does not take money to prove you are holy or doing a work for the Lord. The congregation left behind is still mourning a man & not crying out to God for direction. I have listened to some of his messages on youtube & I was not impressed nor would be led to visit his church. I come from old pentacostal back ground & the bling bling was not a sign of holiness. Now, his children are torn, I am not thinking about the wife because she should have seen the break in her marriage long before. So what was she doing to not be able to be a wife, mother & first lady. If she knew God she would have known her husbands failures, weaknesses & needs to address them before a year or more of infedelity struck. It is the children who are damaged from all of this. Who cares how he died, whether he was gay, straight, on drugs or someone set his death up to look drug related. The truth may not ever come out & really to respect the children & his mother, it should not. The fact is his mother & children need to bring closure to somethings that none of us would never want to face whether we are a name brand or not. Prayer is the best thing to do.Praywithangelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10786712862038093659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-78699252189119656192011-12-19T18:33:39.053-06:002011-12-19T18:33:39.053-06:00The cause of death will be delivered within 48 hou...The cause of death will be <a href="http://global.christianpost.com/news/zachery-tims-cause-of-death-can-be-made-public-judge-rules-65249/" rel="nofollow">delivered within 48 hours</a>, or at least so they say...<br /><br />This whole thing is a fiasco!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-64724142315971463642011-10-06T11:35:08.994-05:002011-10-06T11:35:08.994-05:00The "family" whoever that is, is now fig...The "family" whoever that is, is now fighting to keep the <a href="http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-10-05/features/os-zachery-tims-cause-death-delay-20111005_1_medical-examiner-death-report-autopsy-results" rel="nofollow">medical info sealed</a> and to keep it under cover what the "substance" was.<br /><br />Another phase of the FIASCO.<br /><br />Tell the truth and move on CHARLATANS! Close this sordid chapter and be finished. But this is another classic pimpery move...OBFUSCATION!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-54955249268695713012011-08-26T00:11:18.500-05:002011-08-26T00:11:18.500-05:00I don't know why it is the biblical literalist...I don't know why it is the biblical literalists and fundamentalists, who are so quick to blame the victims for what happened to them...<br /><br />Look at it, the WOF blames the one who is sick for not having enough faith to get healed...What kinda garbage??? They even use scripture to support it, twisting up, "by your faith be it unto you"...MESS!!!<br /><br />Then we have victims of Clergy Sexual Misconduct (CSM) or abuse told that "they" were the reason for the abuse or that they brought it upon themselves because they shouldn't have been so seductive...<br /><br />Then look, what about the pedophilic minister??? For many the kids themselves are to blame...<br /><br />The problem is people like that brother or sister, who doesn't hold leaders accountable and judge them by their "smiles" like he/she does...For them facts don't matter, everything is based on their esoteric and subjective receipt of information from somewhere out ion the blue, or a literalism that makes then blame the innocent of not being clean in their dealings...Sound familiar???<br /><br />Read JOB...you'll see the same accusations coming from "friends"...isn't that a blip?District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-40942797965364218612011-08-26T00:03:58.459-05:002011-08-26T00:03:58.459-05:00ךא ךםהד עםג,
That's the problem...we've h...ךא ךםהד עםג,<br /><br />That's the problem...we've heard a lot of testimonies, but not all testimonies end the same and prayer is not "magic" or a way to cast a spell on someone...the person must hear and realize and 9 out of 10 these individuals were in a condition to receive from GOd somehow or in some way shape of form...Secondly God didn't overshadow them in spite of what they were evidently willing to learn...<br /><br />What we have is a case of a person who has rejected the knowledge of God and hold the truth in unrighteousness...You may not like it, but the Lord tells us not to entertain such individuals...(2 Tim. 3:5) Within the context of marriage there is more at stake and a person should ADVISEDLY separate if nothing else...<br /><br />So far as what you've seen, I've seen a woman MURDERED in front of her 3 children doing what you recommend, by her back-slidden preacher husband...Now you will probably assess that she did something wrong and lost her life because she wasn't in the place with GOd necessary, and that is a bunch of poppycock! She was taking the HORRIBLE advice of a leader that believed in the type of literalism that you believe in...It wasn't the "will of God" that her children witness a public murder of the one that brought them into the world...that was the devil straight out without a doubt.<br /><br />One can't play with situations such as this and as we have stated, victims aren't to blame for this.<br /><br />But probable what's the most disturbing (or at least equally) is the thought of being able to discern a person's spirit from a smile...That is about as backwards as I have ever heard...I don't know of anyone who has a "smile epistemology" that will not be totally deceived in this world...Bernie Madoff, had a nice smile...so did Charles Manson according to his most close followers.<br /><br />Anyone following with that type of measure to discern truth will not walk in truth long...they are deceived out of the gate!<br /><br />So thanks for the commentary and goodbye!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-13757889120807663782011-08-25T17:10:18.541-05:002011-08-25T17:10:18.541-05:00Excellent article Pastor Burnett. No comments need...Excellent article Pastor Burnett. No comments needed. You covered everything. I put this on my Facebook page. <br /><br />Blessings....brdavisionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15246953723391048968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-55124537428498731122011-08-25T09:47:55.103-05:002011-08-25T09:47:55.103-05:00I was leaving permanently this site, when I happen...I was leaving permanently this site, when I happened to see a reply from a LIvingFforHim.<br /><br />I would like to answer with this. <br />A woman whose husband was on drugs prayed for her husband.<br /><br />This husband was so on drugs that it was costing him thousands of dollars a day to support his habit.<br /><br />Let me tell you how much this wife prayed.<br />She prayed so much for him, that anyone who went to her home found her praying.<br />She was on her knees so much that this was all she was doing.<br /><br />She prayed earnestly and unceasingly for him. Pray and more prayer this is all she did was pray for her husband whom she loved.<br /><br />This is how God answered her.<br />He was walking along looking for his next fix money. When he heard God say to him.<br />"You think you are suffering now? You are going to burn in hell."<br />This man became so utterly terrified at hearing from God himself that he begged God for mercy.<br />He repented on the spot. <br />God then led him to a room where he spent time with God and God delivered him. He became the man his wife needed.<br />I know another case where the wife prayed for her drunkard husband.<br />God scared him so bad he begged for mercy. God told him that he had given him plenty of chances.<br />He repented on the spot when God terrified him. All this was done through the prayers of these praying wives.<br />They determined not to let God go until he saved their husbands. <br />To the day the former drunkard died he was one of the most holy men in the town.<br /><br />I know, that God answers prayer.<br />I know that God can do anything.<br />So it is impossible for me to understand why this wounded man died.<br />Goodbye and God bless.דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-83669303483384537252011-08-25T09:28:46.271-05:002011-08-25T09:28:46.271-05:00[I love marriage and I still believe that it is Go...[I love marriage and I still believe that it is God’s ultimate plan for reconciliation even in the most horrid situations"]<br /><br />I am glad to know she said this. Her statements might have gotten her off the hook. <br />Of course I could say that I love living people and I still believe that it is God's ultimate plan to raise many people from the dead.<br /><br />I'm angry that this man died surrounded by people who claimed to know God. Not just his local church. But all the church in all the world.<br />Yet no one was there for him. No one was able to see he was in desperate need of deliverance.<br /><br />Does anyone really think God cannot deliver still? The church needs to repent and seek revival.<br /><br />Also this nasty prosperity gospel is damning souls.<br />Yes I do know the Bible well. I take it seriously. I KNOW why Jesus died on that old cross. I am not in any way blind to the purpose of his death and resurrection.<br /><br />I have seen and do see the miraculous because God is able to do what is impossible.<br />I'm angry because Tim's death gives the atheists and pagans, etc. more material to use against Christians.<br /><br />I wish I could see articles written where the church is repentant and sorry they were not able to help this desperately wounded man.<br /><br />God is not done with this situation regarding the Tims death. <br />We will soon see more of his hand at work to show those who call themselves Christians, and even the sinners, that he is still HOLY.<br />Goodbye and God bless.דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-36358287874495866412011-08-25T08:09:11.691-05:002011-08-25T08:09:11.691-05:00To put the blame on Riva for Tim's death is si...To put the blame on Riva for Tim's death is sick and twisted. So let’s say she stayed in the marriage and he kept doing what he was doing? How would that affect the kids? What if he acquired an incurable disease and passed it to her? Who would take care of the four kids then? Your dialogue is ridiculous. What is even worse…you comment and have no clue who the man is! <br /><br />Also, are you saying that because she divorced him she didn’t forgive him? Really?!?! <br /><br />You also stated Riva did not do anything to help him. How do you know that? How do you know that she did not beg and plead with him before or after the divorce to turn from the sin and reconcile with her and his children? Oh, I forgot...you figured it out from his smile. <br /><br />Living4HimLiving4Himhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07260704493735141440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-2067586075363352592011-08-25T07:33:30.540-05:002011-08-25T07:33:30.540-05:00Ok דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עם, I have read your disturbin...Ok דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עם, I have read your disturbing commentary on here, and I am calm enough now to reply. <br /><br />1. How dare you blame the victim in all of this! This MAN, who is accountable to God alone, decided to walk away from the woman God gave him to frolic with countless others. How is she to blame for that! If someone is bent on an action, NO ONE can help them until they want help! <br /><br />2. How do you know she did not try to help him or that she did not forgive him? I see a wounded woman and children that allowed him to go on a trip with them. Hmmmm? I don't know many people divorced under the circumstances that they were that can go on a trip together! This woman did try to help him by standing up for and demanding righteousness from ZT. She could not continue to place herself in physical, spiritual, and emotional danger. She divorced him on perfectly biblical grounds! That does not mean she did not forgive him! She could no longer place herself in that kind of danger.<br /><br />3. Let's define "help meet" I will make him a helpmeet for him” - one who may not only reciprocate his feelings, but take an intelligent and appropriate part in his active pursuits.<br />Now you tell me with all of globe trotting with only God know who all and that stripper, how in the world could she actively take part in that? <br /><br />You said: "I am not that familiar with these people. I only had seen Zachary Tims on TBN, but never heard him preach. I only knew he seemed like a good man with a great smile."<br /><br />Ok, now he 'seemed' like a good man. That is an unbiblical assessment of this man. Jesus said: "You shall know them by their FRUIT..." Matt 7:16 So you have "looked" and judged this man's character with your "eyes" which God's Word expressly tells us NOT to do! You are completely ignoring ZT's fruit!!! <br /><br />What we have here ladies and gentlemen is a satanic thought pattern. This thought pattern is based on the sight which is not governed by God's Word. There is no spiritual discernment, and no Holy Spirit witness: just how he looked. <br /><br />How do you know "no one saw he needed help" You are making too many assumptions!!!! God's Word is clear that He tries to warn us when we stray from His Word. The first problem this man had was the false doctrine he preached. (that will take a whole other post) That doctrine leads to this behavior because it is "I" "ME" centered Not Christ centered! It was ZT's responsiblity to seek the true and living God and preach what He gave him. To allow the power of the Holy Spirit to work in his life so that sin would not have dominion over him. (NOT Riva) So what about that? How about other godly council? <br /><br />You have stated that Riva was also to blame for ZT. Riva was responsible to be loyal to God FIRST!!!! Not even her spouse was above God! She has handled this situation the way God wanted her to. YOU are totally disregarding so much scripture with your assessment of this situation I do not have the time or space to elaborate. <br /><br />I can not believe you have made such a mockery of God's Word by saying that Riva was responsible for how ZT turned out? That is essentially what you are saying. Each person has to make choices and God allows us to be as foolish as He can stand. Then he let's the natural course of things play out. <br />Read the Bible and get true understanding before you spew that satanic garbage for all to see. <br /><br />Satanic thought pattern: Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.Marciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17792859219207652984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-84017579402245956282011-08-24T22:15:46.304-05:002011-08-24T22:15:46.304-05:00I have been looking up information about Tims'...I have been looking up information about Tims' death since it was announed earlier this week and all kinds of questions sprung up in my mind about the circumtances about his death. He did good in the community but he was affiliated with some of the most ungodly ministers we have ever seen (Bryant, White, Jakes, Hinn, etc.). I used to turn in to his "No Limit" broadcasts and was not impressed by his preaching, which seemed nothing more than motivational speeches and self-help. I only hope that Riva can find some closure in this situation and hope she continues to do well in her ministry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-69465003488481829212011-08-24T20:47:07.192-05:002011-08-24T20:47:07.192-05:00Pastor Burnett, I appreciate your shedding light o...Pastor Burnett, I appreciate your shedding light on this issue. It is truly a tragedy of great proportions for the reasons that you have previously mentioned. Some people may have blood on their hands for helping this young minister ascend to such high heights but not being effective in ministering to his greatest needs. But concerning the "smile" issue, You and the readers may get a kick out of a well known preacher's take on the subject's smile.<br /><br />http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/religion/os-zachery-tims-funeral-service-20110820,0,3486109.storyjrobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156947514801165400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-47302842898458886442011-08-24T20:21:35.650-05:002011-08-24T20:21:35.650-05:00One thing I'm surprised at and it must be beca...One thing I'm surprised at and it must be because repression is so prevalent...I'm surprised that every married woman on this blog doesn't read people like this the riot act...I certainly give permission if any is necessary...<br /><br />Can you believe a person comes in a public domain to say that the cheated on spouse was to blame for the non-restoration of her charlatan husband and his actions in multiple affairs???<br /><br />Only in the modern church can the innocent be responsible for the illegal and ungodly orgasm of the spouse enjoying their sin! What a painful reality of this world!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-74526355072568910172011-08-24T20:00:57.298-05:002011-08-24T20:00:57.298-05:00Then here's a difference without distinction:
...Then here's a difference without distinction:<br /><br /><i>"No I did not say Riva looked like a model. I said she tries to look like a model"</i><br /><br />Now, is that a technical difference in this convo? DOes that distinguishing favor have anything to do with the convo? NO!<br /><br />What that shows is hatred for the victim, possibly even jealousy for Riva in this case more specifically...Either way, commentary like this is RIDICULOUS!!!<br /><br />Now, all of this person's anger and he can only get mad because a woman exercised her RIGHTS to call a charlatan to accountability and in defense these weak kneed, spaghetti backed folk say "his smile looked right"...That is BACKWARDS!!!<br /><br />Answer this, since I am on such a high horse...how did his smile look to his kids when he was leaving them or putting them out of the house??? How did his smile look when he was firing the woman who built the church with him because she said leave the MULTIPLE woman and affairs alone??? How did his "smile" look when he was going overseas and Paris meeting up with this and "these" strippers having illicit extramarital sex and then coming back on TBN talking about "Praise The Lord!"<br /><br />What kind of smile did GOd see when he was either snortin, or shootin up his body with illegal drugs while still being a preacher???<br /><br />Where was the "smile" at then, since you can look at it and glean so much godliness from it??? Why didn't God just look at his smile and say...'I'm not going to judge you for all the evil you've done and breaking your vow!"<br /><br />Yet utter HATERS like this have the nerve to claim their "righteous indignation" at persons such as me who point out this GARBAGE that is called modern Christianity...Sickening!!!<br /><br />Where was the smile at in any of these instances since I'm on the high horse...obviously you're much higher than I am, so high I would imagine you can almost see your own tonsils by now!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-37235005208987544802011-08-24T19:46:31.515-05:002011-08-24T19:46:31.515-05:00דשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,
In addition to totally backwa...דשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,<br /><br />In addition to totally backwards and unsupportable statements, you deliver the most ABSURD and RIDICULOUS assessment of your"approval" of Tims that I have ever read...<br /><br />You approve a SINNER and the SINS of a man base don this subjective GARBAGE:<br /><br /><i>I never heard Tims preach, but he had a look, a smile that lit up his face. Even a room. He looked right.</i><br /><br />What the HECK does that mean???How can someone's "smile" look right??? You don't even know what he preached, but yet you are willing to hate the wife for doing what the BIBLE says she should do...<br /><br />Look, OBVIOUSLY you have no clue! In addition, you're a woman hater and you are biblically illiterate...<br /><br />Talk about a high horse...at LEAST I know what I'm talking about!!! YOU should be ashamed!!! That is about the worst dogma that I have ever read on a serious issue.<br /><br /><b>Be gone in the rolling dust cloud from whence you came!</b>...You have not supported any of your arguments and a "smile looking right" is hardly a defense and or support of anyone's actions...In fact that's plain ole STUPID!<br /><br />What kind of idol worshipers come out for this man is AMAZING to me...That's what God will judge this generation, they hate righteousness and love mess and confusion!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-30502799290282624802011-08-24T19:37:13.097-05:002011-08-24T19:37:13.097-05:00דשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,
I understand what you are all...דשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,<br /><br />I understand what you are alluding to however, Riva has spoken for herself much better than what Zachery ever did and she hasn't delivered hatred in the least as you suppose. You should familiarize yourself with the facts before allowing your bias to take over. <br /><br />This is what she said regarding marriage and reconciliation. This is contained in the link I have in the article(although it appears to be down there is a chached version of it available) <br /><br />AZ: How do you embrace being single? Will you marry again?<br /><br /><b>Riva Tims: "All the single ladies, all the single ladies….well I am making the best of it. It has been quite the learning experience for me. I have learned so much about myself. There has been quite a few things I did not know I was capable of doing. However, I had no other options but to do it by myself. I started a successful health and wellness business; I am a radio talk show host, co-host of a television broadcast, and Senior Pastor and founder of a wonderful church. WHAT!!!! A man did not do that for me, it has been the Lord on my side. Yes, Lawd! I will marry again. <i>I love marriage and I still believe that it is God’s ultimate plan for reconciliation even in the most horrid situations"</i></b><br /><br />Now, where is the accusation or hatred? Theories crumble to dust. We have a lady that has been far beyond drug through the mud due to no fault of her own and she STILL believed that her marriage would be reconciled and believed in teh institution itself??? What??? How is that unforgiving either toward Zachery or even GOd??? Please spell out her hatred toward her husband if you would???<br /><br />To a greater point, God hates divorce as it is not his best, but he has committed <b>no marriage</b> to abuse and misuse and she was free from his bondage under the circumstance when he broke the covenant relationship. I have written a comprehensive discourse on marriage and it's boundaries <a href="http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2010/01/christain-marriageto-address-some.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> <br /><br />In addition, you'll also come to know the what type of forgiveness that we are required to extend to those who have done us wrong...it is not a forgiveness to allow further abuse and misuse...it is a forgiveness to not exact revenge and one that desires mercy...not the continued actions of the unrepentant...Neither Riva or any of us are under a biblical constraint or obligation to forgive anyone who has consciously done wrong and does not ask for forgiveness...<br /><br />While that may be a surprise to you, God doesn't use forgiveness as a means to perpepuate sin and wrongdoing. Placing the requirement upon the victim to forgive when the offender doesn't care less a most troubling false teaching and a myth with no biblical basis. That type of sentiment is more in line with modern humanism. I discuss that in specificity in the comments section of <a href="http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2011/06/call-for-bishop-eddie-long-to-repent.html" rel="nofollow">This Article</a>. <br /><br />GOd only forgives those who ask and our standard is not greater than his. As we can see, Riva did her part and is and was doing it well. <br /><br />Now, my question to you is why do you have such a low view of victims and their rights of freedom and blessing? <br /><br />Your statements sound borderline misogynistic also and there is no scripture to support that a spouse should remain abused in the name of retaining a marriage.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-28088105396155750822011-08-24T18:09:46.483-05:002011-08-24T18:09:46.483-05:00"NEVER one heard about her cheating now have ..."NEVER one heard about her cheating now have ya???"<br /><br />Never heard about her forgiving either.<br /><br />Jesus said because of the HARDNESS of your hearts Moses wrote them that commandment, (a writing of divorcement) but from the BEGINNING it was not so.<br /><br />She did not forgive him. What he needed most of all she failed to do.<br />Yet you give her high honors?<br />Sorry but W means WITHOUT.<br />He was without his wife's forgiveness. <br />God HATES divorce. Just in case you didn't know that.דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-27246777144472891492011-08-24T17:49:19.292-05:002011-08-24T17:49:19.292-05:00Sorry, but you fail in your defense of Riva. Again...Sorry, but you fail in your defense of Riva. Again.<br />Sorry, but I'm convinced you do not understand anything I'm telling you. <br />Your mind is closed, not only to the fact, that the one closest to him should have helped him, but FAILED to do so<br />But also to the fact, that the problem is, you are also on some spiritual high horse in some fictitious lala land truly believing that you are some spiritual giant God set on high on a blog to determine right from wrong.<br /><br />Your entire agenda is to blame the dead man. You had the audacity to even blame God.<br />But in your closed mind Riva, who was Tim's partner in sin here is innocent.<br />Reading your empty and meaningless ramblings makes me understand a little why this wounded man is dead.<br /><br />Apparently it was people like you aho mentored him.<br />No I did not say Riva looked like a model. I said she tries to look like a model.<br />I'm angry because this man is dead and you sit there on your "throne" and condemn him while worshiping his unforgiving wife.<br /><br />I never heard Tims preach, but he had a look, a smile that lit up his face. Even a room. He looked right.<br /><br />He is dead and his wife surely has some blame here for not helping him, for not forgiving him.<br />Some "first lady" she was: totally blind to the fact that Zachary Tims WAS forgivable. Did she forgive? <br />No she divorced him. Who knows what he went through?<br />But it was all about Riva. Not her husband and certainly not the kids that needed their dad.<br />Away with your "intellectual nonsense. <br />Sin is the problem the world has!<br />Sorry, but you can type me a reply until your fingers fall off, but I see it that Riva failed this good man in his most trying hours.<br />God will judge between her and Zachary.דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-14144364271893099672011-08-24T14:31:30.728-05:002011-08-24T14:31:30.728-05:00and it should be.. she and she alone.
It ticks me ...and it should be.. she and she alone.<br />It ticks me off that he was surrounded bu all these Christians, <br />ודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,<br /><br />You said:<i>yet no one, not even one was able to help him.<br />What does this say?<br />Yet you sit there defending the very person Riva whom God gave to Zachary Tims to be his helpmeet.</i><br /><br />YES, I do exactly and with support of the scripture...who told YOU that she was the ONLY one that was to help him??? Where is that at within scripture? She is his "helpmeet", but where does scripture isolate her as his only help? What about the help of the Holy Ghost?, What about the help of the Pastoral leader? What about the help of the community of believers? <br /><br />The problem was that he had councilors around him that were more in tune with the persona than the spirit. Riva PROVED that she wasn't in that by bringing him to accountability...So your statement regarding this is not intellectually fulfilling. <br /><br />Put it properly and STOP blaming the victim, Zachery REJECTED the help that he had and failed in responsibility for his own actions...So let's uncover the truth...It's assessments like you're that keep folk bound in abusive marriages like this and that also keep folk hurt and shame in situations like this...Tims was an abusive spouse and Rive get's high honors in my book...NEVER one heard about her cheating now have ya???District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-25283100869762431252011-08-24T14:21:29.601-05:002011-08-24T14:21:29.601-05:00ודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,
Out of all that you say, som...ודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםג,<br /><br />Out of all that you say, someohow you don't stop at the paoint that someone DID try to help him...his wife! Who was well within her bounds. <br /><br />Since you admittedly don't know, I've added some context for you...Now, what you espouse is that she was partially responsible for Tims failure...That's a bunk argument...and that feeds into the problem as I see it...<br /><br />In other words, Tims doesn't stand on his own in accountability for for his own actions. Secondly, there is no warrant or support for your statement except for how she appears to you as a "model" or one concerned with her outward appearance...She's a cosmetologist from what I understand, and she does take pride in her looks but she doesn't look like a woman of the world in any form. <br /><br />now, opinions are good and you're certainly entitled, but truth statements are subject to challenge. You hold her accountable...this is called an aspersion upon her. All I ask you to do is support it with either biblical or material fact as i have done in outlining my case. WHY? Because there is no room or warrant for confusion over this issue...Other women that are experiencing this same thing right now, on a different scale, need to know that biblically they have a RIGHT to hold a lying, cheating husband's feet to the fire and they are in the position of God's favor. <br /><br />That man made a vow before GOD and multiple witnesses, to FORSAKE ALL OTHERS..."all others' includes not only women, but drugs, alcohol, and anything that could damage or come between their marriage...He did neither and did not turn to restore the situation, only added insult to injury, and yet YOU cast aspersions at her...NO my friend, I won't allow it to pass without challenge and asking you to support your statements...<br /><br />I don't do this all the time, but in this one I am prepared especially when it comes to defense of the innocent. That's what I do, just in case you didn't know.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-61396218977095891232011-08-24T14:10:07.664-05:002011-08-24T14:10:07.664-05:00I said..."Her and her alone should have seen ...I said..."Her and her alone should have seen that this man needed help"<br /><br /> and it should be.. she and she alone.<br />It ticks me off that he was surrounded bu all these Christians, yet no one, not even one was able to help him.<br />What does this say?<br />Yet you sit there defending the very person Riva whom God gave to Zachary Tims to be his helpmeet.<br />I know what a helpmeet is.<br />She was the one that God provided to HELP him.<br />Yet no one was there to help this man who died for what?דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-46480004517022681992011-08-24T14:05:08.410-05:002011-08-24T14:05:08.410-05:00Marcia,
You see it just fine and the way it shoul...Marcia,<br /><br />You see it just fine and the way it should be...In their world, the world of the PIMPS, Jesus is powerless and dependent upon man for action. <br /><br />The Gospel is not the power of GOd unto salvation, it's a vehicle of intellectual enlightenment and a means to personal fulfillment. As I state the blind can't even see the fault with their logic, they simply offer the sacrifice of fools!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-40114001450743836292011-08-24T14:02:51.532-05:002011-08-24T14:02:51.532-05:00"Sorry but I don't agree with you on this..."Sorry but I don't agree with you on this one...Riva had the authority and favor of GOd. I believe she has handled herself greatly during this whole mess..."<br /><br />I am not that familiar with these people. I only had seen Zachary Tims on TBN, but never heard him preach. I only knew he seemed like a good man with a great smile.<br />I still don't see her as innocent.<br />This man died and who was THERE for him?<br />No one.<br />Don't try to convince me of anything. It won't work. Tims is dead and it is sad that no one, saw that he needed help.<br />And if anyone should have seen it his wife should have seen it. Her and her alone should have seen that this man needed help.<br />So save your defense of her for someone who will agree with you.<br />We will see what God does with this "mess" as you call it. I see it as a horrific tragedy that was probably preventable.<br />May God help the congregation in Florida and show them the way so they won't lose another pastor.<br />WHY did no one help him???דודשמש יםךא ךםהד עםגhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02480898023710726293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-25781927516434008982011-08-24T12:55:19.306-05:002011-08-24T12:55:19.306-05:00Another thing: Did Jesus die on the cross and go t...Another thing: Did Jesus die on the cross and go through all of that so that we would still look like the world and act like the devil? Or did He come and die so that SIN would not have dominion over us? I say the latter. <br /><br />It is a shame that the church has been duped into following another Jesus which is of another spirit who is powerless in their lives to heal, deliver or save. Shame on all these PIMPS for leading people to that muddy nasty water to drink and thus die thereby. <br /><br />Let them tell it Jesus can't do anything- not even save you! Boy if I can get so worked up just thinking about how they slight the savior imagine how angry it makes God!Marciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17792859219207652984noreply@blogger.com