tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post9039709800893880193..comments2024-03-27T11:13:34.520-05:00Comments on The Dunamis Word: Are You Travailing In The Spirit?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-79023567065286804522008-11-14T09:47:00.000-06:002008-11-14T09:47:00.000-06:00Oregonsistah,Thank you for sharing that testimony ...Oregonsistah,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for sharing that testimony regarding your daughter. I know your daughter is glad she followed the leadership of the Lord. <BR/><BR/>In dealing with the comical first...Yea "silent" women. When I'm hungry, I really don't care if the hand I receive my food from has manicured nails or not-LOL...Sistah, there has been a total misrepresentation of scripture and history...but yet, that's another story...<BR/><BR/>So far as what you were saying about individual responsibility, I can't support you enough in that issue. For so long long individuals commented that the "ultra" spiritual were "so heavenly minded that they were no Earthly good"...but that "earthly good" creates wars, destruction and all sorts of problems within society based on political and NOT God constructs... So to "force" the state (or individuals for that matter) to abide by "God morals" seems to be beyond at least what Jesus did. notice that he chose NOT to deal with society politically.<BR/><BR/>Now, aside from that what do we do? Simply allow society to impose their morality upon us without resistance? Somehow I don't believe that's the answere either, as I don't see the kingdom of God as it expands being that ineffectual in social change.<BR/><BR/>So you raise some beautiful points certainly worth considering, that cannot be overlooked and demanding study on a more indepth basis. <BR/><BR/>I'll echo the fact that our Personal and individual responsibility is abundantly clear and without question. We are to "be holy" as HE is Holy. <BR/><BR/>Thanks sistah...good job!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-67361760132852294332008-11-14T04:17:00.000-06:002008-11-14T04:17:00.000-06:00pastor burnett: I am not offended, and apologize ...pastor burnett: I am not offended, and apologize if it came across that way, and don't hold anything against my brothers and sisters on this blog for their views or say any of it with anger, just love the respectful debate. You have provided a forum to discuss our views and where we can all learn. I also don't hold anything against the church. I love God's people and the church and what it represents and what it has meant to me in my life. I have a wonderful pastor and church family.<BR/><BR/>I am just looking at the state of the Christian Church. Even though abortion and homosexuality is legal and accepted in society when do we take individual responsibility. My daughter became pregnant in college and said she thought about going to get an abortion, but the Lord came to her in a dream and showed her a baby covered in blood that looked like her and told her not to do it. She knew that I taught her abortion was wrong and we don't kill babies in this family, but the key thing was teaching her to fear God, he is the savior of the world, that he is real, that he forgive sins. She listened to the law of God that was written on her heart, and chose life.<BR/><BR/><BR/>My question is:<BR/><BR/>Since Jesus came and salvation has come to the Gentiles,isn't the focus now on us as individuals (and not a nation) to accept the Savior's message, "that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God"... God looked to see if there were any righteous if there were any that sought after God, there were none. He shed his blood to cleanse us from our sins. ...to as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believed on his name. <BR/><BR/>Seems to me, like the Gospel message focus is on the individual and once the heart is changed, we will make those decisions that please God.<BR/><BR/>I just think we have gotten away from the message of the Great Commission <BR/><BR/>Mark 16:15-16<BR/><BR/>And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. <BR/><BR/> 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. <BR/><BR/>Also, thanks for accepting the women, because you know we are supposed to be silent:) <BR/><BR/>It is late, hope I am not rambling...oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-28606416329648529662008-11-11T19:08:00.000-06:002008-11-11T19:08:00.000-06:00Oregonsistah,Hope all is well with you. There are ...Oregonsistah,<BR/><BR/>Hope all is well with you. There are a few things I'd like to address:<BR/><BR/>There was always speculation regarding Dr.King and other women. I don't know whether there's any basis in truth but I do know that part of it came from Hoover's FBI. Hoover thought all blacks were little more than animals and that we couldn't be faithful in marriage anyway. He hated King and what King stood for. That's why by Judicial order much of Hoover's directives regarding MLK have been sealed and cannot be seen until about 2020 or so (if memory serves me correct) The people responsible want to make sure they're dead and gone before that junk comes out. <BR/><BR/>So far as Rustin, I'm not surprised that gay, gay advocate, Ramon Johnson is promoting that. I would like to know based on Rustin's testimony, when he became gay. Was he gay when he met Dr. King or was it afterwards? Was his homosexuality partially responsible for their parting of ways? Ramon address none of those issues, he wants to create "one big gay lovin' happy family" where everybody's happy, so sorry, if I don't just grab hold to his info and run with it. It may be wholly true, but I'd like to do some more research on that part.<BR/><BR/>You also said this very passionately: <I>"I just want to say that I have been a part of the church including COGIC and several other Christian denominations, and have seen supposedly "good Christians in leadership bishops, preachers, evangelists, etc. commit adultery, incest, drugs, homosexuality, abortion (to save face and keep an image), misuse money and people all in the name of God and lives not lining up with what they say."</I><BR/><BR/>Sistah, I know I'm not holding your views against you, but don't you hold anything against the church. God still yet has a people out of a people and he's using them to his glory. Glad you made it through and we gonna make it further together. <BR/><BR/>Finally, yes, there is more to discuss than homosexuality and abortion, but by far those two issues are challenging the black community and church equally as great as other issues such as absentee fatherism, male incarceration rates, and the rise of STD's. While other ills are more passive, homosexuality and abortion are active, agressive and has an effect directly sponsored by their cause. <BR/><BR/>So far as Barack, yes, God is ultimately in control, that is "in spite of" what men and the devil do on this Earth. For some Germans (early on) Hitler was an answer to to their social and economic depression, but he was a messenger of the devil from hell.<BR/><BR/>I'm certainly not saying that about Barack, but please don't be offended when others equally as passionately point out problems and discern his intents in some very important areas and point out the differences between what they see in him and what they've seen in others.<BR/><BR/>I'll tell you what, you sistahs chimin' in on this board are some dangerous women. I see now, I might have to get a security team for y'all if I were to have you speak at the church--LOL,LOL,LOL!Thank God, God still has some strong and bold soldiers...we in good shape!<BR/><BR/>God bless.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-63284274558799947172008-11-11T16:38:00.000-06:002008-11-11T16:38:00.000-06:00Cheteach: I was doing some research on your state...Cheteach: I was doing some research on your statement about MLK being a righteous man. <BR/><BR/>"To compare a man of such world religiosity to Martin Luther King is ludicrous. Martin Luther King was a righteous man. Do you really think he would endorse the stance of pro-life and homosexual equality?"<BR/><BR/>I am not sure if you knew that he was an adulterer and also, his right hand man was openly gay Bayard Rustin. I have put the link below who organized the montgomery boycott and the march on washington. It is a matter of record and can be found on the internet, but If God used MLK with all of his flaws, and not Barack? Just a question.... <BR/><BR/>http://gaylife.about.com/b/2008/01/21/martin-luther-king-jr-and-gay-bayard-rustin-2.htm\<BR/><BR/>So, do I think that MLK would endorse it, probably based on him having a gay man help him set strategy during the 50s and 60s. Most of us didn't know this and probably didn't care at the time because of the state we were in, we wanted equal rights and that was the focus. Not saying it was right or wrong, just reality.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I just want to say that I have been a part of the church including COGIC and several other Christian denominations, and have seen supposedly "good Christians in leadership bishops, preachers, evangelists, etc. commit adultery, incest, drugs, homosexuality, abortion (to save face and keep an image), misuse money and people all in the name of God and lives not lining up with what they say. <BR/><BR/>I still believe God shines on the just and unjust and do believe that he has allowed him to take office and has a plan. Even it if is to erradicate the racism and bitterness that white America harbors against blacks in general, and why that myth has to stop. God allowed certain nations to be elevated because of the children of Israel's disobedience to teach them a lesson. I believe in some small way it will give people a change of heart on how we are viewed and even as the bible says "he takes the foolish things of this world to confound the mighty" Most of us never thought in our life time. What was driving the racism in this country that would relegate a people as substandard? This how I view it. I believe there are more sins besides homosexuality and abortion that are a reproach unto God and don't agree with either, but everyone has a right to chose and we each have to give an account for the deeds done in our body. God sets before us life and death and it is up to each of us to chose. If we chose life, their are benefits we receive. If we chose death that are also consequences. <BR/><BR/>I dont' look at Barack as the savior of the world. Just a man who has some views that I don't necessarily agree with, but still believe God has allowed it to happen for whatever reason. I also think we are a very self righteous nation and think there is no other country besides ours that God cares about.oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-41954120191241994352008-11-06T21:47:00.000-06:002008-11-06T21:47:00.000-06:00Now, someone will invariably ask, "OK, if Barack i...Now, someone will invariably ask, "OK, if Barack is in place because the devil promoted him through the systems of the world then his is an anti-Christ figure, right?"<BR/><BR/>To that I say NO. he may be representative of the systems of this world but certainly no more or less than George Bush or Bill Clinton, or JFK for that matter.<BR/><BR/>I guess what I'm saying is, don't give Barack a quasi-"anointing" or approval from God simply because he made American and world history. <BR/><BR/>I believe that we must continue to focus on the issues and address the principalities that exist including the govermental principalities.<BR/><BR/>We growin' every day...Thank God!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-40908026227914195792008-11-06T10:24:00.000-06:002008-11-06T10:24:00.000-06:00pastor burnette: You won't lose me. I need to th...pastor burnette: You won't lose me. I need to think about it for a day or so, and will get back. I don't want to be ever learning and not come unto the knowledge of the truth or anyone one else for that matter. We do want to rightly divide the word of truth, but you know I will have something else for you:)<BR/><BR/>Got to get to work!oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-11532620249277222622008-11-06T09:23:00.000-06:002008-11-06T09:23:00.000-06:00Oregonsistah,Thanks for responding to my inquiry. ...Oregonsistah,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for responding to my inquiry. You said this:<BR/><I>"How about when he raised up Pharoah and hardened his heart against the children of Israel? How about Judas, so prophecy could be fulfilled?:"</I><BR/><BR/>Those are both two very good refrences and both of them are sumed as follows:<BR/><BR/>This is what is meant by God saying that he (God) turned Pharaoh's heart. In spite of HIS (God's) pleading Pharaoh TURNED himself against God. Pharoah responded to God negatively because God through his righteous actions did not do what Pharoah wanted him to do. Therefore, God turing Pharoahs heart was not because Pharaoh's actions were fatalistically predetermined, but it was because God KNEW by HIS omniscience, what Pharoah's response would be to God's actions.<BR/><BR/>A parallel would be a man who slaps his wife...although he CLAIMS "she made me do it" we all know that he did it on his own, and that he has full responsibility for his own actions. <BR/><BR/>Judas was along the same line. His actions were not predetermined fatalistically...Jesus says, "That that thou doest do quickly" <B>(John 13:27c)</B> in other words Judas had responsibility for hsi own action "Thou doest" NOT "That which God does through you"<BR/><BR/>This leads to a greater point. Look at the temptation in the wilderness specifically <B>Mt. 4:8-10 (recorded 3rd temptation)</B> and <B>Lk. 4:5-8 (recorded 2nd temptation)</B><BR/><BR/>You will note that Jesus <B>DOES NOT CHALLENGE</B> the authority of the devil's rule over kingdoms of the Earth...This is startling I know, but read it and you'll see that the scripture you quoted about God putting up and setting down takes on a slighlty different context. <BR/><BR/>The devil exalts in this world because it's his system to manipulate. <BR/><BR/>I know you'll have questions and let's take it slowly because I don't want to loose you or anyone reading. get back asap.<BR/><BR/>BlessedDistrict Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-16900870622195880772008-11-06T01:46:00.000-06:002008-11-06T01:46:00.000-06:00Oh, and not saying he raised him, but he decided w...Oh, and not saying he raised him, but he decided when he was going to fall and fall he did!oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-5303700040676620482008-11-06T01:43:00.000-06:002008-11-06T01:43:00.000-06:00pastor burnett: How about when he raised up Pharo...pastor burnett: How about when he raised up Pharoah and hardened his heart against the children of Israel? How about Judas, so prophecy could be fulfilled?:) Give me some more examples.oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-75914229144359674342008-11-05T19:55:00.000-06:002008-11-05T19:55:00.000-06:00OregonSistah,You know I love you right? And you al...OregonSistah,<BR/><BR/>You know I love you right? And you also know I want you to just continue to grow right?<BR/><BR/>Let's look at this a little closer:<BR/><I>"It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall."</I><BR/><BR/>Would you believe that God raised HITLER to power?<BR/><BR/>Would you believe that God raised Karl Marx to power?<BR/><BR/>etc....<BR/><BR/>Let's examine that a little more closely in light of what scripture says. That could be very important in helping to actually understand how barack got to be where he is...<BR/><BR/>What say ye of these things?<BR/><BR/>Anyone?District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-75907751574287566242008-11-05T19:46:00.000-06:002008-11-05T19:46:00.000-06:00Psalm 75:7 It is God alone who judges; he decides...Psalm 75:7 It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall.oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-46093764622819433202008-11-05T13:18:00.000-06:002008-11-05T13:18:00.000-06:00Cheteach, your comments show your passion for God ...Cheteach, your comments show your passion for God and his righteousness. I applaud you, and I too wonder why our prominent ministers are silent regarding his pro-abortion stance and his commitment to the homosexual agenda. But, don't lose hope. God will indeed stir his true Church to action one way or another! So, let's hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering. Continue to be a light to this generation and God will reward you for your faithfulness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-70165686574864284792008-11-05T09:56:00.000-06:002008-11-05T09:56:00.000-06:00Thanks for the insight and input, and will take it...Thanks for the insight and input, and will take it all to heart. He is now President, I am happy. God has allowed it and has a plan. Let's pray that as the bible says he will turn the judges heart the way he wants. As the old saints used to say "pray my strength in the Lord.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Let's be clear. From the beginning with Adam and Eve God gave his people free will. We have a right to choose. God did not allow Obama to win the presidential election. The choice of the people did. As a nation we are in trouble. Just as Adam and Eve experienced the consequence of disobedience, so we as a nation will. <BR/><BR/>I am a 32 year old black female, and I feel isolated in the truth that is revealed through such obvious forms. Wake up Church. He that hath an ear to hear let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the church. <BR/><BR/>To compare a man of such world religiosity to Martin Luther King is ludicrous. Martin Luther King was a righteous man. Do you really think he would endorse the stance of pro-life and homosexual equality? <BR/><BR/>Obama states that he does not believe homosexual marriage is right, but same sex unions should receive benefits set aside for holy unions. That is a lukewarm state and he is lukewarm on just about every issue, but not one Spiritual leader has questioned him. Where are the Mega Preachers who have ties to government officials? They are hiding behind false doctrine. Dare they stand up and preach holiness. Dare they preach the wages of sin is death? Dare they preach Jesus? They have to hide, because they are not standing for truth. So to confront Obama would mean confronting themselves, and they dare not expose themselves. They would lose millions of dollars, and government funding. <BR/><BR/>My generation is missing their chance to sound the alarm, but I won’t be caught sleeping. I will speak the truth to my community. The persecution is not worth the silence CHURCH. <BR/><BR/>I am proud to be African American. I thank God for Jesus and salvation that freed me from the bondage of sin. Right now on 11/5/08, I am deeply saddened by the actions of church leaders and the black community during this election. <BR/><BR/>Outside of Ex-ministries, Kimberly Daniels, and Dunamis word, I have yet to hear one prominent Man of God stand up a question the beliefs; Obama’s voting history in congress, and his pro-life stance. NOT ONE! <BR/><BR/>But churches are having Election Parties, and Christians are wearing Obama t-shirts to church. <BR/><BR/>From day one, Obama was not the right choice for people of God. Why because he is pro-life and he promotes a homosexual agenda. <BR/><BR/>Why are we so quick to jump on what is popular, when we have not even taken the time to find out who Obama really is? My people perish for the lack of knowledge. I can guarantee a high percentage of the African America vote, was driven by celebrity backing of the candidate, and watching debates. How many actually read Obama’s book, research his senate career, and voting history. <BR/><BR/>Change. Are we ready for the real change we are getting ready to see. Pray people of God pray. Mr. Burnett continue to Sound the alarm!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-4730405213026614452008-11-05T01:05:00.000-06:002008-11-05T01:05:00.000-06:00Thanks for the insight and input, and will take it...Thanks for the insight and input, and will take it all to heart. He is now President, I am happy. God has allowed it and has a plan. Let's pray that as the bible says he will turn the judges heart the way he wants. As the old saints used to say "pray my strength in the Lord.oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-381573550082398782008-11-04T19:12:00.000-06:002008-11-04T19:12:00.000-06:00To gcmwatch, you spoke what I was thinking Matt 7:...To gcmwatch, you spoke what I was thinking Matt 7:13 :)<BR/><BR/>So much has been commented on and so on point. Where is the church in all of this? I do feel that God is in control with whom ever is in the white house.<BR/><BR/>gcmwatch again this is profound:<BR/>"There's a reason they didnt have any oil when the bridegroom came"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-65907727458007440022008-11-04T15:43:00.000-06:002008-11-04T15:43:00.000-06:00Is Obama a deist, agnostic, or humanist in your op...<I>Is Obama a deist, agnostic, or humanist in your opinion?</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry to get away from your original question.<BR/><BR/>I think what best describes Obama is that he has a carefully cultivated form of godliness, but denies the power thereof. Im not sure it can be classified as any of the above, but in terms of scripture it is seen as dangerous. From such... turn away.<BR/><BR/>His religious veneer is much more pronounced than any of his predecessors and rivals that of the so called religious right. The startaling thing is that for years we have heard the godless components which are at the base of the political left angrily decry and denounce and mention of religion in politics. As a matter of fact, the black church rebelled against Bush's religious declarations. They saw it as disengenuous.<BR/><BR/>But there has been no such outcry from these same people against Obama. He has even went as far as interpreting scripture in the context of his political agenda. I wondered is he a politician or a bootleg theologian?<BR/><BR/>This is far beyond the pale of what has been acceptable in American political life by a candidate. Some might think Obama's open engagement of religion is no different than others before him but his is unprecedented where as the others, it seemed to be little more than a benign factor.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is his being a part of the black community which has taught him to utilize our fundamental vehicle of influence: the church and the bible.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately I have not seen him use it in any way other than to attract flies to the honey.<BR/><BR/>Comparatively speaking John McCain is a minimalist social Christian who appeared to be extremely uncomfortable and hesitant to refer to himself in such terms. Is that why he brought Palin on board? Perhaps he saw Obama's religious influence as a threat and brought on Palin to balance it. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-67612710515841453062008-11-04T12:56:00.000-06:002008-11-04T12:56:00.000-06:00Pastor Foster/GCMWatch,Your two posts are WELL SAI...Pastor Foster/GCMWatch,<BR/><BR/>Your two posts are WELL SAID, WELL STATED! I could not say it any better even if I wanted too! AMEN My Brother in CHRIST! Amen.<BR/><BR/>Christians Friends, just as Pastor Foster of GCMWatch so eloquently put it, "WHOSE KINGDOM...are we building?" Are we gathering for HIM or are we scattering HIS flock?<BR/><BR/>Many ministers in America(white, black, jew or gentile) are building their own barns, their own kingdoms, they are servants of themselves...The LORD JESUS said it best...<BR/>Mark 8:33-38 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. (34) And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (35) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. (36) For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (37) Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (38) Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.<BR/><BR/>A lot of black Churches think Obama will "owe" them payback or rewards for their votes! The black Church puts its hopes (indirectly or some directly ) into keeping its status with Herod and Pilate(the government!) If they think, Obama is going to look out for them(us), WAKE UP! WAKE UP! <BR/>Obama serves another master...the New World Order. And I can say the same thing about the white evangelicals(Dobson, Hagee, Parsley, whoever) that places blind allegiance to the Republican platform. So whether its Obama, or McCain...Clinton or whoever else is put in the position of President of the USA--It is the World System! PERIOD!<BR/><BR/>Think about it, who is funding their campaigns...and from a revelatory standpoint, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party---Both serve the same master....MONEY AND POWER--the god of this world! <BR/><BR/>Now GOD uses world powers to accomplish HIS perfect will/perform what the scriptures said will come to pass. GOD used Caesar Augustus to issue a "decree" THAT MADE Joseph and Mary be AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME--Bethelehem! Now, that does not make Caesar righteous! But GOD uses whomever, whatever, however HE sees fit to accomplish HIS will! When Herod the Great tried to abort the Messiah, GOD's word was being fulfilled. GOD uses the devil...many people don't like this type of theology, but its true! Devils don't even realize they are being used, but they are!<BR/>Want proof: 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.<BR/><BR/>Finally, we must make sure we who are blood bought born again saints ....WE MUST NOT BE ENABLERS OF EVIL! WE must stand for CHRIST, even in the face of being UNPOPULAR and REJECTED! Knowing what "Truth" I know now, I am accountable for that "Truth" and what I do with that "Truth"! Now, I cannot impose my will on anyone but I can give you HIS viewpoint, not my viewpoint, big difference!(it's up to any of you whether you agree or not, receive or reject)...THERE IS NO WAY IN ALL OF GOD'S GREEN EARTH with my "redeemed" conscience that I can vote for a party platform that supports abortion, and gay marriage or a party platform that does not have any concern for the poor or the least of these! I am a Christian FIRST and FOREMOST! Yes, I render to Caesar what is Caesar's...But Caesar did not save me! Caesar/USA/Democrat or Republican does not have a heaven or a hell to put me in! <BR/><BR/>Last thing, HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT FROM THIS VIEW(The Spirit brought this to my mind as I was typing), That this election is really a test from GOD! A TEST! SAY WHAT? Yes, A TEST FROM GOD!<BR/><BR/>So, rejoice brothers and sisters of the MOST HIGH GOD, We are at the right place at the right time! Amen! JESUS REIGNS! So whether its Obama or McCain, GOD's will is going to be done!<BR/><BR/>Pastor Burnett, I had such a wonderful presence of peace from the HOLY GHOST last night with my choice to VOTE NO FOR OBAMA AND NO FOR McCAIN! Now, I know I must prepare myself to answer to any man why I chose this way...because HE Chose and Loved me. <BR/><BR/>Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (20) That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.<BR/><BR/>GOD bless everyone on this forum in JESUS NAME!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-23007592673554889512008-11-04T12:18:00.000-06:002008-11-04T12:18:00.000-06:00Corrie,'tis true, unfortunately the church has a s...Corrie,<BR/><BR/>'tis true, unfortunately the church has a selective voice of condemnation for acts of unrighteousness and hardly any nerve to break with popular opinions and that's ungodly. <BR/><BR/><B>GCMwatch</B> said this that caught my eye:<BR/><BR/><I>"my point is has the church forgotten that we are also citizens of a higher kingdom?"</I><BR/><BR/>I believe that's my whole contention. <BR/><BR/>In addition <B>Oregonsistah</B> your point is well stated when you said, <BR/><BR/><I>"Is Jesus against globalism and socialism? I am not being facetious, I really want to know. Jesus came to seek and save the lost, not just the Americans.</I><BR/><BR/>This book,<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Christian-Nation-Political-Destroying/dp/0310267307" REL="nofollow">The Myth Of A Christian Nation by Gregory A. Boyd</A> is probably one of the best refrences I am aware of on the subject. NONE of these earthly systems are godly although some include godly principles. we must be careful to exalt one over the other as God's choice and ideal for Christian society. The word says that HIS Kingdom is not of this world. (Jn. 18:36)<BR/> <BR/>This is good, I love a spirited debate and various viewpoints. Let's talk about this Saints...very good!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-66781867494456703672008-11-04T12:06:00.000-06:002008-11-04T12:06:00.000-06:00...and to comments from gcmwatch, I give a hearty ......and to comments from gcmwatch, I give a hearty "Amen!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-71052516898237934522008-11-04T11:41:00.000-06:002008-11-04T11:41:00.000-06:00Politics,by its very nature is polarizing. Perhaps...Politics,by its very nature is polarizing. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps I may be a bit different than others, but fighting for racial equality isn't my highest passion. I believe that we could achieve 100% equal racially and still miss the kingdom of God. I believe we can wipe out hunger, homelessness and poverty and still miss the kingdom of God. I don't believe any of those things are central to the <B>core mission</B> of the Kingdom. Mark 1:14. I've said before an atheist can feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit the sick and imprisoned. But will an atheist preach salvation by Christ? According to the scriptures "good works" doesnt make one righteous or "saved". While ministry to the physical needs of man is a worthy effort (called social justice by some) it cant be elevated to the level of the salvation of man. What shall a man give in exchange for his soul?<BR/><BR/>To me, this is a "times and seasons" issue with Obama. I think the church has been blinded or is choosing to ignore the spiritual climate in which we live. I believe God is calling us to war, while we want "peace" thus rejecting his intent for us and in the process getting the desires of our heart. As Isreal found out with its demand of a king, the consequences werent good.<BR/><BR/>In doing so, God gives us what is a reflection of our collective hearts. The question is can God's people change the will of God? Or do we believe that whoever rises to power is simply because God wanted them to with no bearing on our own spiritual behavior?<BR/><BR/>God purposed to destroy Nineveh and their repentance changed his immediate plan.<BR/><BR/>Moses and Abraham both effectively "lobbied" God to change what he intended to do.<BR/><BR/>Time and space wont allow me to exegete this out, :) but it all comes back to the "if my people" clause. The secular segments of this society are not supposed to know whats best for this nation, we are. But if our positions follow theirs to the exclusion of God's way (not a political flavored, theocratic rule)we are no longer salt, we are no good for anything.<BR/><BR/>Sure every qualified US citizen is entitled to vote or support based on their own personal biases, my point is has the church forgotten that we are also citizens of a higher kingdom?<BR/><BR/>I want to emphasize that this is not a apology for voting per se or for either candidate or political party, but an attempt to say we should pay more attention to God's will than our own personal desires in this season.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-79821890656754485752008-11-04T10:45:00.000-06:002008-11-04T10:45:00.000-06:00Oregonsistah,Thank you. I believe your points are ...Oregonsistah,<BR/><BR/>Thank you. I believe your points are made well and is good food for thought. I know for me I have consistently said that anything negative against Barack is not vicariously an endorsement of Mccain. As I state there are too many problems with his agenda. <BR/><BR/>So far as the person or personality of Barack. I agree that he has many good qualities and seems to be a "personable" person, but that's NOT why we elect a President. <BR/><BR/>So we should not elect based on personality and we should not elect based on his religious ability. But we should elect based on how our agenda as Christians and citizens of a "free" society is either received or rejected. <BR/><BR/>In this case, Christian leaders HAVE NOT set forth and agenda and Barack, as confirmed in Enochwalked comments, has his own ecclectic idea of the roll of religion in a free society and he is willing to impose his will and authority on the subject. That is dangerous family man or no family man. <BR/><BR/>What good is it to be righteous in all points and yet offend in the greatest? Does the story of the rich young ruler come to mind here? Having kept the law from his youth up but was still far away from God...Then how about Saul, who's primary desire even after being rejected by God (1 Sam 15:23-23) was to be seen as "right" before the people in union with Samuel. <BR/><BR/>This is the problem, as I see it. We are required as a church to focus on the complete package, not just certain elements that we like or dislike. <BR/><BR/>Finally, I agree with Jim, the COMPANY a person keeps tells a lot about what they will and will not allow. <BR/><BR/>Personally, in the ministry, I don't have ANY pimp-preacher friends. The friends I do have which are vey limited are all of good character, respectful and persons I feel comfortable that are involved in the work of the Lord. That's because I receive what I put out and I will allow what I like in my environment. <BR/><BR/>Barack has too many crooks around him, and although I don't believe he's a crook, he is open to their influence. The BLACK church in particular should call it's first candidate and representative President to a higher standard by plainly and openly demanding more from him than from Bush, Clinton, etc. <BR/><BR/>But will we do so?District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-60287641717097082062008-11-04T10:39:00.000-06:002008-11-04T10:39:00.000-06:00Sin is bringing our death. The heart is desperatel...Sin is bringing our death. The heart is desperately wicked who can know it. We all have gone astray and except for the shed blood of Jesus and his atonement for our sins and our acceptance of him, there would be no hope. Is Jesus against globalism and socialism? I am not being facetious, I really want to know. Jesus came to seek and save the lost, not just the Americans. We are so self righteous as a country, it kills me.oregonsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733679811226767467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-88625474540723161102008-11-04T10:36:00.000-06:002008-11-04T10:36:00.000-06:00I think we would do better to evaluate the HEART o...I think we would do better to evaluate the HEART of today's CHURCH, rather than trying to read what's in the heart of our political leaders and candidates. The Bible has stated clearly that "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jer. 17:9)<BR/><BR/>As Saints, we live with Church leaders everyday that sin, make mistakes, use bad judgement, do abominable things; yet we continue to pray for them, say that they are saved and anointed, give them money, and stay in their churches, and vote for them. So, how is it that political leaders who must deal with things such as 9-11, Katrinas, Ritas, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the stock market, the economy, their own parties and advisors, their own human frailties, etc, be condemned to not being Christian because we don't understand or like their decisions? It's these kinds of attitudes that this political campaign has caused to surface among Christians that's causes me great concern. We're too invested in this thing! (By the way, I do believe the first "hanging" scene of a political candidate was that of Sarah Palin - a fellow Christian by her own clear testimony. Where's the outrage? Wrong is not wrong depending on the color or popularity of the victim.)<BR/><BR/>I suggest that we all READ the word of God, HIDE it deep within our hearts, completely SURRENDER our heart and will to Him, be FILLED with the Spirit (not just once, but continuously filled), and make a FIRM commitment to follow HIM and do all we can to seek the Kingdom of God and HIS righteousness; then, READ (not just look at) the news (not just from one source, but from several), LISTEN to what people SAY (their total message), check out how they VOTE, then vote and be willing to pray (sincerely)for whoever God allows to be elected. Let's not be guilty of encouraging prayer for the candidate we like, and scorn for the ones we don't/ didn't like! (Have we sincerely prayed for our current administration? Do we pray for Condoleeza Rice? Do we lay before God for our leaders, whether we like them or not? Remember, true prayer requires a compassionate and loving heart.) <BR/><BR/>If we do these things, then I believe God will be glorified and we can stand before him "faultless". All this talk about who's saved and who's not, who's doing what to black people and who's not, is not where we (the Saints) should be. Going down that road leads to more hostility, strife, racial bitterness, bigotry, and all the other works of the flesh we are warned against. The word of God that we say AMEN to and shout on every week speaks loud enough for us to know what God desires, and what the goal of His Kingdom is. Let's get passionate about that, and prepared for His coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-4118782757837452612008-11-04T09:19:00.000-06:002008-11-04T09:19:00.000-06:00ps. Neither McCain nor Obama are Christians. And,...ps. Neither McCain nor Obama are Christians. And, in so far as the world's elite are concerned, Obama's notion of faith in "god" fits perfectly with the their goal of a "global religion". Many paths to "god", with no absolutes. Brother enochwalked said it best.... "we are all being led to the slaughter through deceit".Vilicus of Verumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352514368534582989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-20040769224405608702008-11-04T09:02:00.000-06:002008-11-04T09:02:00.000-06:00enochwalked writes:"Obama and McCain both will bri...enochwalked writes:<BR/><BR/>"Obama and McCain both will bring us socialism. Obama will only make liberty’s death quicker." That sums up the political perspective, perfectly. <BR/><BR/>One simply has to look at the men and women who surround both of these candidates, and realize who is pulling the strings of both of these men. Both men are globalists; both men adhere to a notion of a new world order; both men have been annointed by the likes of the Trilateral Commision and CFR; both men represent views that would be considered anathema by the Founders of your country. <BR/><BR/>Men like George Soros and Warren Buffet (who back Obama), aren't interested in "We the People", they are interested in power. They, just like the Bush family, will use the USA for their own purposes, and to further an agenda more far reaching and devious, than most people would ever dream of.<BR/><BR/>JimVilicus of Verumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352514368534582989noreply@blogger.com