tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post529401117494263509..comments2024-03-27T11:13:34.520-05:00Comments on The Dunamis Word: "Hate Crimes" Legislation, Presidential Approval Of The Gay AgendaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-68999476356764599242010-02-15T16:26:52.487-06:002010-02-15T16:26:52.487-06:00Don't ask, don't tell is outta here now is...Don't ask, don't tell is outta here now isn't it?<br /><br />One Presidential promise kept I guess.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-25341989405617275592009-10-25T16:36:22.919-05:002009-10-25T16:36:22.919-05:00Gandy,
You said:Not sure how you will be challeng...Gandy,<br /><br />You said:<i>Not sure how you will be challenging and changing folks that much by banning some of them though Harv,like you have done.</i><br /><br />First of all I am a REAL pastor and do have a church and this board won't be an instrument for you or anyone else to spread garbage without it being checked and burned. Secondly, no one RESPECTFUL will be banned. Only those who like to go from point a to point z making no sense and being disrespectful along the way. That's uncalled for. If you make a point and the point is addressed, don't keep repeating. we heard it the first time. I'm simply not going to allow my readers to be intimidated and or confused by clowns. You know I like to banter, but at the end of the day give me some kool aid and let's watch a game.ie: "chill out" as they say. Some guys are in one mode- "Destroy all Christians", I only point out that there have been many better than them that have tried and all have fallen short. Some of the new arguments i see are only bad and twisted interpretations of old dogmas refuted twice over. So repetition is not a desirable thing.<br /><br />You said:<i>"Hey Harv yeah sure i mention stuff about my past,my reason is because i know the real problem is you and other christians really would rather just not hear any of it"</i><br /><br />No because most of us aren't psychologists! We would rather hear you STAY ON POINT of an argument and if you want to ramble on various topics <br />as it fits your needs, open your own site and get as confused as you want to be. What we want to do is ENJOY what could be a learning<br />experience. Jive has happened to ALL of us and you're not unique, but you don't hear us throwing up our hands every other word.<br /><br />Regarding sconnor's son who died of leukemia you said:<i>"Harvey when my young boy needed him..You finally couldn't handle it anymore <br />either and just got (DELETED) over that too.Tried the old return abuse trick on him too,to try and make him just disappear.But he still around too Harv hmmmmm.</i><br /><br />Obviously you don't know what you're talking about but rely on atheist hatred. He too was not given sympathy because Sconnor exploited and dishonored his son's death for the sake or argument. He tried to use it as a tool to challenge and come at Christians making a whole bunch of silly, stupid, and unfounded assertions and he was stuck in his mindset like you. I reached out to him as a man and father, not Christian preacher and he let his religion hatred get in the way. A TOTAL moron (and you are quickly following the same path) So I don't take to IDIOTS to well no matter what they have been through when they act as if everyone owes them something...Guess what, WE DON'T. Grace is unmerited. God didn't owe <br />him his son's life. That life came and neither he or his wife knew the exact moment of it, only God did by Grace. His son suffers no more<br />but he does and I don't know but the last debate we had went pretty and we were able to make some points that were insightful. So what does that <br />mean? It means you should only talk about YOU and what you know instead of things you have no idea about. You'll only look more pitiful.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-52551199730695389282009-10-25T16:26:55.326-05:002009-10-25T16:26:55.326-05:00Sorry, one more post. Anonymous, you asked me a r...Sorry, one more post. Anonymous, you asked me a really good question, and I didn't answer it in my last post. Here's what you said:<br /><br /><b>Another question I have is about gay rights, when you have fullgay rights, what do I do about my Children? How do I protect them from being indoctrinated or even having to see this as norm. Please tell me what to do because I dont want my children to be confused and its obvious that this current administration is ardent about this. Where are my rights to raise my Children morally and have them taught morals in school?</b><br /><br />I'm someone who generally rejects the concept of sin. I believe there are rights and wrongs, but they have nothing to do with a literal interpretation of the Bible. I wont turn this into a discussion about ethics, though, because your question is one which I, a non-Christian, can relate to and identify with.<br /><br />What should you do? Teach your kids your values. <br /><br />Make them understand that adults don't agree about some of the really important things: God, standards of behavior, politics or whatever. Teach them that just because someone says "X is right, and Y is wrong" doesn't mean it is so - and then instruct your kids about what you believe.<br /><br />What more can you do? If you try to assault every opinion that contradicts yours, you'll spend more time fighting than time with your kids.<br /><br />It's possible to teach your kids that your version is the correct one. Many parents (religious or not) do this. Yet, all children who make it into adulthood realize they disagree with their parents about certain things - will they reject your standard or morality or your taste in art? Who knows!<br /><br />You have less chance of your kids rejecting your views if you're less "absolutist" about it. Teach them what you believe, not what you claim to be the truth. Show them why you've come to believe these things, not that they MUST believe the same things as you.<br /><br />These are my humble opinions, of course.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-28804239054709755362009-10-25T16:16:58.813-05:002009-10-25T16:16:58.813-05:00First of all, I apologize for this being such a lo...First of all, I apologize for this being such a long post.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Anonymous wrote the following to me:<br /><br /><b>Whateverman, I ask you, if group want to have sex with animals should they be advocated for? Please dont think I am over the top because someone told me he sees absolutely nothing wrong with it.</b><br /><br />I don't understand your specific question, Anon, so I'm going to assume you meant the following (please correct me if I'm wrong): <br /><br /><i>if people advocate having sex with animals, or if they practice it privately, is that "wrong"?</i><br /><br />I don't know, Anon. The idea disgusts me, and I certainly would get angry if I saw/read/heard someone proposing that it's "ok" to do so.<br /><br />With that said, I stop short of saying it's "wrong" - only because I don't have all of the available information. I don't want it happening in my family or my backyard. But in order that I take into account my lack of knowledge about the entire issue, I do this: if the animals aren't being hurt/harmed, and as long as it's kept private, do what you want. I'm pretty sure I could argue "harm" is being done to the animals on a purely psychological level - and that the person committing the act has serious issues him or herself.<br /><br />Understand this: I'm pretty sure there are theists who feel about homosexuality the way I do about bestiality. They're disgusted by it and don't want it advocated. Fair enough. With that said, they make the mistake of assuming their disgust is a Just indication of the wrongness of the behavior.<br /><br />How can I say this? People used to be equally disgusted by images of black people being treated as peers to whites. Disgust is nothing more than instinct - and as such, I refuse to let mine decide how the rest of human society "should behave".<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Anonymous also wrote this:<br /><br /><b>I am sure you are aware that people "like" to have sex with children, they "like" to kill, yes they actually "like" it. Like has nothing to do with it, right and wrong does</b><br /><br />Ok. If I accept this, you're going to have to show me that your version of right & wrong is superior to other versions. Although I'm sure you have faith that yours is the correct standard, there are other people with just as much faith in their standards who think you are absolutely wrong about yours.<br /><br />As someone sitting in the middle of this, how can I choose which standard is best? If I choose yours, I'm told by your opponents that I'm going to hell. If I choose theirs, you're not going to like my choice either.<br /><br />I'm a pragmatist. I would rather err on the side of caution, rather than tossing all my eggs into one religious basket and hoping for the best. Is homosexuality "wrong"? I don't know. I find it distasteful, but I try to strike a balance between caring for the person I disagree with while NOT advocating his opinions/behaviors.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-82926105461149475582009-10-25T04:22:55.896-05:002009-10-25T04:22:55.896-05:00Well you should be so rapped to be challenging and...Well you should be so rapped to be challenging and changing us then huh Harvey.Feel free pray for me all you like and challenge and change hard out all you like too,im real fine with it.<br /><br />Not sure how you will be challenging and changing folks that much by banning some of them though Harv,like you have done.Must be some new strange type of preaching im not used to.Seems more likely to me though that you just get angry.Ban them because you getting your knickers all in a twist cause you just cant handle it and its the best thing left you can think of doing.<br /><br />Of course you could always just make this a blog only for your followers,and we others could simply go away so you could all pat each other back and tell each other how wonderful things are etc.But things wont just simply go away,if they really need to be discussed with others not in your group as well.<br /><br />Whatevermans and others have some good points,you and other faithful friends of yours might not think so.But you post on atheist blogs they dont just ban you if its not what they want to hear.<br /><br />I wont bother to argue with you to much about it Harv,but feel ive sure seen you windge and moan enough from time to time on blog for instance about how you feel christians are treated wrong.Or this or thats not right.You could have simply disappeared too like maybe you really wish i just would,but you wanted to stay on the blog and say woe is me poor little christian.Its not good and just not right that folks are leaving and christianity is going downhill.Its no good that so many folks are finally sticking up for gay folks,and giving christian bigots heaps for being homophobic.<br /><br />Hey Harv yeah sure i mention stuff about my past,my reason is because i know the real problem is you and other christians really would rather just not hear any of it.And when someone else mention elswhere how his very young child died of leukemia think it was,and keep sticking it up you!! asking where the heck was your god Harvey when my young boy needed him..You finally couldnt handle it anymore either and just got shitty over that too.Tried the old return abuse trick on him too,to try and make him just disappear.But he still around too Harv hmmmmm.<br /><br />Im actually surprised you church folk finally facing sexual abuse thats happened in your church.Most likely mostly only because it just simply became unavoidable though.<br /><br />We not going anywhere Harv,even if you ban us from your blog you can be very very sure we still going to be around ever ready and waiting to say it like it is, and whats more we gaining more in both numbers and momentum week by week and day by day now!.<br /><br />Anonymous if you keep unfairly totally comparing adult gay couples and gay folks, to pedophiles and those folks into bestiality or sexual abusers and rapists etc.Like you really think there is just absolutely no difference between them at all.<br /><br />Sooner or later the majority of folks on this planet might end up being much much more worried and sickened about the thought of their children having to see and experience Christians.You really want that?,well you doing fine so keep at it tiger.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-75447421445030019552009-10-25T00:09:20.400-05:002009-10-25T00:09:20.400-05:00Gandy,
I've debated over at DC for almost 2 y...Gandy,<br /><br />I've debated over at DC for almost 2 years now and I've never doen what you do. I've never whined or complained about being treated unfairly. <br /><br />What do I do? Set forth my arguments stand by them field opposing views have a good time doing it.<br /><br />Whereas you're out to prove all of Christianity is wrong because you say so all the time...that's silly. <br /><br />Just say what you believe and why. Debate the ISSUES, not stuff that off in Pluto. That get old and like I said, we know what SIN is and we chose to leave it by the grace of God and thankfully nobody over her is weak, or tetter, tottering in their faith like radicals seek to convert.<br /><br />We're strong in the Lord and getting stronger as we share. You don't understand though. Unlike a Christian coming to an atheist board, an atheist coming to a CHristian one opens themselves up in dimensions that you don't understand. You open yourself up to prayer that you say you don't want and information that sinks into even the most stony heart and makes change.<br /><br />So in essence you "think" you're here for one thing and you're really here by divine appointment and the longer you stay the more you'll be challenged and changed, not for the worse either, but for the better.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-14389329587805471772009-10-24T17:34:39.916-05:002009-10-24T17:34:39.916-05:00Ahh i see if i post on your blog it means im just ...Ahh i see if i post on your blog it means im just simply angry at Harvey or his god.<br /><br />So when Harvey used to often post on John Loftus blog it was because he was just simply angry at john loftus and atheism.<br /><br />I have had a reasonably happy life my own family with two kids,worked and paid for a property of 283hectares.<br /><br />If i mention some of my past im just simply having a grump,i should instead be clapping my hands for joy also about stuff to do with religion.Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-42059992748549744572009-10-24T16:33:25.244-05:002009-10-24T16:33:25.244-05:00"Many of these want to force their way into t..."Many of these want to force their way into the church and just correct eveything they see, without realizing that the FIRST correction should be them."<br /><br />Pastor I was thinking the same thing, the easy way out is to give up isnt it? If you know how the Church should behave be the example.<br /><br /><br />I also agree that God owes us nothing but He has done so much hasnt He, how gracious is our Father!<br /><br />Whateverman, I ask you, if group want to have sex with animals should they be advocated for? Please dont think I am over the top because someone told me he sees absolutely nothing wrong with it.<br /><br />You say "like" I am sure you are aware that people "like" to have sex with children, they "like" to kill, yes they actually "like" it. Like has nothing to do with it, right and wrong does, according to God and not you, me or Pres Obama. If we all did what we "like" can you imagine what this world would be like. <br /><br />You know I have asked pro homosexual people, why is murder wrong and they talk about pain and hurt and against someone will, well by what standard are those things wrong? you see there must be a "STANDARD" and it cannot start with man as we wil always do what is right in our own eyes (Judges 17:6). <br /><br />Another question I have is about gay rights, when you have fullgay rights, what do I do about my Children? How do I protect them from being indoctrinated or even having to see this as norm. Please tell me what to do because I dont want my children to be confused and its obvious that this current administration is ardent about this. Where are my rights to raise my Children morally and have them taught morals in school?<br /><br />PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-72732280677066630672009-10-24T16:10:00.301-05:002009-10-24T16:10:00.301-05:00Whaterverman,
You said:"My posts are being l...Whaterverman,<br /><br />You said:<i>"My posts are being let through now? I don't entirely understand why they were being deleted in the first place."</i><br /><br />Because of your initial insults, repetitions of answered questions and association and deception regarding that association with a known idiot. <br /><br />You said:<i>I didn't insult you or your beliefs; I was polite.</i><br /><br />Not hardly, I did save the email and they were very condescing as radicals usually do when they want to make some great social point and self-exalted statements against Christianity. <br /><br />You said<i>I merely wanted an answer to my question (which I don't believe you actually answered).</i><br /><br />Your questions were answered BEFORE you made any comments as I had addressed them with your friend. If you don't understand the answer simply say that, but to go on with other silly questions based on the same premise means that you either didn't care about the initial answer or didn't read the initial answer, either way that indicates just a desire to spread your views and this is not the place for that...we've been where you are, in SIN, and your disdain for the church is of no concern for us...we all hated God to some degree in our mess...you're in yours so that's nothing new. I'm simply not tolerating people trying ot attempting to bully the board. You're not the first and you won't be the last...so don't take it any more personally than necessary.<br /><br />Now, to the question you pose which is a good one and I'll ask others to provide their input also regarding it.<br /><br />You said:<i>Can you explain to me, pastor, why Obama's speech is any more important/noteworthy than any other person's opinion about homosexuality? Help me understand why you're focusing on him...</i><br /><br />Partially because he is the President and what he says carries a lot of weight. (much more than what I say) He is endorsing a lifestyle that has proven to be harmful and inconsistent with not only biblical values but also societal values. He is not simply protecting people which would be a good thing by itself, but he is dealing with life structures and on top of that superimposing the worst type of biblical interpretation in support of his views. <br /><br />Like I said this isn't because "the bible told me so" and even IF it was that would be sufficient enough as the bible sets forth a good and objective moral standard for humanity, and there is no repression of religion in our country (at least presently) therefore I have not only and imperative to speak from my set of beliefs, but a right to do. (I know that's more than what you asked but I know that's what you want to address anyway)<br /><br />Another thing is that this President is consistently aligning himself with the gay agenda. This means changing the standards of social morality all the way through the system. Look at it. They (gov't) hold the educational system. the NEA has already aligned with GSLEN and other gay rights organizations, what's next? the further erosion of parental rights and the complete indoctrination of our children...you don't believe me ask <a href="http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2008/10/when-gay-day-comes-your-way-homosexual.html" rel="nofollow">Dr. David Parker</a>, <br />he found that out after finding himself in jail some years ago. <br /><br />The Christian view of this issue is much more well rounded than the critic realizes. Most of you think we only base our actions on a bible verse or two. Although one can do that and be successful, and blessed, there's a LOT more to the issue than meets the eye.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-14873623975263526702009-10-24T14:36:38.329-05:002009-10-24T14:36:38.329-05:00My posts are being let through now? I don't e...My posts are being let through now? I don't entirely understand why they were being deleted in the first place. I didn't insult you or your beliefs; I was polite. I merely wanted an answer to my question (which I don't believe you actually answered).<br /><br />However - this is your blog, and I'll do my best to adhere to them.<br /><br />On the subject of gay rights (ie. a loose generalization of the topic you wrote about), I believe President Obama contradicts the Bible as much as astronauts do. To wit: the earth isn't flat nor is it the center of the universe.<br /><br />That is to say, Obama's contradiction of Leviticus doesn't seem to be overly important. I can understand why the general topic is so heated - homosexuality is personally/deeply offensive to some people (whereas a spherical Earth is not). With that said, homosexuality has been around for a *long* time - I don't see the presidents speech as being indicative of a trend (aka. the lowering of standards or a turning away from God's rules per the Bible.<br /><br />Can you explain to me, pastor, why Obama's speech is any more important/noteworthy than any other person's opinion about homosexuality? Help me understand why you're focusing on him...Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-25041101076747439772009-10-24T13:52:32.474-05:002009-10-24T13:52:32.474-05:00Paul,
Thank you and EXCELLENT advice. Many of the...Paul,<br /><br />Thank you and EXCELLENT advice. Many of these want to force their way into the church and just correct eveything they see, without realizing that the FIRST correction should be them.<br /><br />I had an atheist render the argument, "why doesn't God eliminate sin if he's so powerful?"...the fact is if he did he'd start with him first...cause we are sinners and all have sinned. We don't have a stone to throw at God like we have some superior intellect...You want God to deal with an issue and really give the justice we deserve, he'll leave a bunch of human spots in his wake. God owes us nothing. Grace can't be owed nor earned. <br /><br />That's why I thank God for Jesus and what he means to US. That's where the mercy upon our lives flows from, not in some back and forth anger/love/hate relationship with the church and people of God. That's instability of the mind and heart and a complete travesty.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-43205143945742892102009-10-24T13:44:46.280-05:002009-10-24T13:44:46.280-05:00Now,
Look at it. The only HATERS are the one'...Now, <br /><br />Look at it. The only HATERS are the one's who don't like hearing truth that offends them and their warped sense of morality. <br /><br />They haen't heard the preachers mission. It's summarized like this:<br /><br /><b>Isaiah 58:1</b>~<i>CRY ALOUD, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.</i><br /><br />Then there's Jeremiah's mission that is vicarious to pastoral leaders today:<br /><br /><b>Jeremiah 1:10</b>~<i>See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to THROW DOWN, to build, and to plant.</i><br /><br />Homosexuality is a SIN like any other. Who told you that they way you like to have sex translates to a favored status in ANYTHING? <br /><br /><b>I think I should receive favored status for the way I like to have sex and who I like to have sex with, so why am I not being advocated for? Why aren't these moral relativists undertaking my cause?</b> <br /><br />Whateveman, as long as you can be REASONABLE, stay on point and not reder silly questions, I'll allow your commentary....<br /><br />We've already addressed you twisted sense of morality and the relationship of Leviticus to NT worship, this isn't a bible study for you to ask a million questions. If you need help catch a plane and come to church I'll hep you personally after you receive the word and anointed prayer, along with your friends too. But anythng STUPID will be deleted.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-27204928119536674182009-10-24T13:27:11.294-05:002009-10-24T13:27:11.294-05:00It's amazing, that topics like homosexuality a...It's amazing, that topics like homosexuality are so emotionally charged becuae the unsaved believe their way of morality is superior. <br /><br />Look theirs changes with the wind and is based on societal standards. Totally unobjective.<br /><br />Wjy don't they also fight for the rights of these pedophiles to have sex with children? Why don't they undertake the rights of bigamists to have multiple wives? Why don't they go to AZ (or wherever he is) and fight for Rev. Jeffs that I mentioned on the front page?<br /><br />If their morality is so grand as they claim why are the homosexuals singled out as a sexually preferred group for them to fight for?<br /><br />They are unbalanced in their reasoning process and it shows greatly. <br /><br />The fact of the matter is that homosexuality is not only damaging to the homosexuals it's damaging to society in general. Biblically it was a practice (like adultery and other heterosexual sin)that was punishable by death. These radicals say "Leviticus says don't weat shrimp so why don't you stop eating shrimp too?"<br /><br />First shrimp eating wasn't punuishable by death and secondly Mt. 15:11 and Mark 7:18 Jesus who FILFILLED the Law said that what went into the mouth is not what defiles us, but what comes out of it because those are the things that indicate the issues of the heart. They they have NO CONCEPT about why Jesus came in the first place which was to FULFILL and complete the Law for righteousness. <br /><br />A totally different set of circumstances. President Obama even rendered that one about shrimp himself as a reason that we shouldn't obey the bible...that's STUPID and as a rock wearing sun glasses. <br /><br />Most of the critics make the same kindergarten 101 type assertions and think they are "stumpping" bible readers because THEY don't know how to interpret the bible themselves or even know what the bible says...<br /><br />So it's always interesting to see the type of lunacy that this sort of topic yields from the morally superior relativistic crowd.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-36618314434831708932009-10-24T13:26:29.558-05:002009-10-24T13:26:29.558-05:00Pastor Harvey, I have been gleaning your blog and ...Pastor Harvey, I have been gleaning your blog and have been blessed for real!<br /><br />Great article, I have passed this on to many of those who were sending me pretty family pictures of Pres. Obama! I am sure I will not get anymore pictures, ha ha!<br /><br />Grandolf, if you the church you used to attend lined up every memeber and they each took a turn and spat in your face it would not have changed the fact that Christ died for your sins, you are responsible for the knowledge you have and will be judged accordingly. You see its Christ who save and not mere man. If you were the only person to recieve Christ as LORD and Savior, He would not have died in vain.<br /><br />I was not accepted in the Church I got saved in and was ultimately kicked out over a blatant lie! I am not totally guilt free but the facts remain.<br /><br />Your issue is Gods truth coming against your sin, its uncomfortable for all.<br /><br />Blessings!<br /><br />PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-35234639171324430342009-10-24T13:13:23.287-05:002009-10-24T13:13:23.287-05:00Now the trend is that modern day people avoid the ...<i>Now the trend is that modern day people avoid the institution</i><br /><br />I found out this week that a good friend of mine is entangled with the Manifest Sons of God bunch. She was always legalistic, so I guess this should come as no surprise that she was so easily decieved. It's going to take a lot of time and effort to point her back to Jesus, but that's what the Church does. We are His hands and feet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-7767663370022195472009-10-24T13:07:47.155-05:002009-10-24T13:07:47.155-05:00Pastor, I look forward to the day when you realize...Pastor, I look forward to the day when you realize just how much you're in love with your sin, and that you turned into the thing you thought to preach against.<br /><br />Good luck to you - you're going to need it.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-7224628178271630122009-10-24T13:05:45.700-05:002009-10-24T13:05:45.700-05:00Laura,
You said:I don't have a problem with c...Laura,<br /><br />You said:<i>I don't have a problem with condemning false teachers and exposing them, but with that one, I'm not comfortable speaking out against those that hold the communion so dear. Would you agree with me that Jesus would have some choice words for them?</i><br /><br />ABSOLUTELY and without doubt. We're on the same page.<br /><br />I was just clearing up the fact that Gandolf, froggie or whoever and whatever will have no excuse in that day...won't be able to blame the church or anyone for their existence and a fist won't be shaken in the face of GOd. <br /><br />So we're good...District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-24134930924276896332009-10-24T13:01:52.484-05:002009-10-24T13:01:52.484-05:00Hi Pastor Harvey. Sometimes, in trying to be brief...Hi Pastor Harvey. Sometimes, in trying to be brief, I don't make myself clear. By no means was I saying all religion is bad or wrong.<br /><br />When I said <i>"the devil will continue his assault on the people of this world, and at times that assault can come from those who pretend religion, or even in the name of religion, but that's not Jesus",</i> I was visualizing two types, those that say they have God but don't, and the world's largest christian faith, the one leaning heavily on tradition.<br /><br />Perhaps I have a bias towards that particular religion, but it comes from walking in the wake of it's damage and even destruction that I see when visiting atheists and agnostics on their home truf.<br /><br />I don't have a problem with condemning false teachers and exposing them, but with that one, I'm not comfortable speaking out against those that hold the communion so dear. Would you agree with me that Jesus would have some choice words for them?<br /><br />We ARE the Church, the Body of Christ, and we are in most christian religions. But the religion itself is not the Church, but the place of assembly. True?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-24924471833632130792009-10-24T10:47:23.803-05:002009-10-24T10:47:23.803-05:00Laura,
If people had a reasonable expectation, th...Laura,<br /><br />If people had a reasonable expectation, they would have a case, and individuals are like me, they weren't born last night. <br /><br />What we have are excuses being leveled at the church for a personal experience. But we have this from a person who neither believes in God nor religion, assuming that his experience with religion has been so messed up that now he has some sort of "built in" pass on doing right and observing the same rule of right. <br /><br />That's not so. Neither is his problem religion. In fact don't allow charlatans and complainers lock you into the concept that "religion" is wrong because it's not:<br /><br /><b>James 1:27</b>~<i>Pure RELIGION and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.</i><br /><br />What Jesus condemned was "tradition" of men and carnal understandings of his word that kept individuals from doing right and even encouraged wrong:<br /><br /><b>Mark 7:6-8</b> <i>~6-He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me. 7-Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.8-For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."</i><br /><br />So the problem Jesus had wasn't "religion" it was flesh and carnality, excuse and unrighteousness, given a religious name. <br /><br />Remember Jesus came to establish the church and the church is precious:<br /><br /><b>Ephes. 5:25-27</b>~<i>"25-Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26-That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,27-That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."</i><br /><br />Now the trend is that modern day people avoid the institution, but that's on them too and they'll have to answer to God for that given their ability. No matter what though a person has a greater obligation to God.<br /><br />Now Gandy's sentiments have been addressed over and over, I would like to see him simply make an on point or topic argument on the subject instead of trying to tee off at the church at every opportunity. religion isn't his problem neither are religious leaders...his problem is being blind and trapped in SIN, like all of us used to be!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-50093099355801380672009-10-24T05:58:40.019-05:002009-10-24T05:58:40.019-05:00Gandy, I feel for you and the pain you have gone t...Gandy, I feel for you and the pain you have gone through in life. Until Jesus comes, the devil will continue his assault on the people of this world, and at times that assault can come from those who pretend religion, or even in the name of religion, but that's not Jesus.<br /><br />I know that I know that I know that Jesus is Lord, and stepped down from heaven to reconcile us with Him, because He loves each of us personally and individually. I suppose that's why these discussions are so easy for christians - we already know the truthful answer, or we should all be in the looney bin for having a real, tangible relationship with a figment of our imagination.<br /><br />Religion is not Jesus. Jesus' strongest words were against the religious, and a running rebuke of them during His ministry on earth. Take a look at the "Woes" in Matthew 23 for an example.<br /><br />You are carrying a burden and you have it in your mind that that's just the way it is and if you can keep smiling, then you are doing pretty good. Jesus said "Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."<br /><br />You're angry with Pastor Harvey because he's not acting like you think he should act. Mere humans will always disappoint us, given enough time, at one time or another. Seek the One who is perfect and Holy, who promised those who believe "I will never leave you or forsake you".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-79741789084810226382009-10-24T05:24:52.827-05:002009-10-24T05:24:52.827-05:002
Gandy,
You said:what good does it do me to all...2<br /><br />Gandy,<br /><br />You said:<i>what good does it do me to allow myself to PERSONALLY FEEL HATE FOR YOU for to long?</i><br /><br />Thus ANOTHER glaring difference between the sinner and the saint...I have NEVER felt hate or dislike for you and you've said many silly things as you persist, but I know the illness and it's called sin and evil heart, that makes you flip flop and follow feelings...My call is greater my friend. I'll debate rigorously, but hatred NEVER. I may hate some actions, but never the person. <br /><br />You said:<i>"So while i often read your blog and remember those very same bosses of the church i once came from, who even then seemed to be drunken on power and control and set in self righteousness nastiness and faithful bigotry.</i><br /><br />See don't forget I had a god called sin, self and flesh too...that was the bigot I served JUST LIEK YOU do now...The ONLY divider you have in your life is the ultimate divider between you and God and that's SIN AND UNBELIEF. You only hurt yourself with that garbage...your position isn't unique...I've been where you are and then some, in fact I was better at it than you, I wasn't trying to hang around church people when I wasn't saved, i was all about doing it my way...all of you that hang on to every word Christians say and get mad are PRETENDERS...people afraid to die and not fit to live. <br /><br />Make a decision in life for yourself for a change. Be a MAN. Every post you make is about what the "establishment" did to you, how "they" divided you from your family etc...NOBODY done worse damage to you than YOU! Stand on your own two feet and stand before God openly and honestly for a change instead of crying about how bad the church or supposed church people treat you. I'll bet they did none of the things you accuse them of...it's people like you that tend to create memories and live in denial of facts or a created reality...I learned my independence at an early age so I have no sympathy for you... <br /><br />You said:<i>"And i know that you like the killer are just another type of product of the many situations of society and our many different lives around us.</i><br /><br />What you are is the product of sin and evil...and that's the TRUTH Ruth!<br /><br />Look at this clown:<i>You yourself are supposedly a minister of some god, while I'm ministering kindness and hope of monkey humanity to others like me who have been abused by faithful religion.</i><br /><br />The atheist knows NOTHING about God but isn't it funny how he always knows what and how God's people should look and act...talking about a mote and beam...GOt a whole forest in his eye and has the NERVE to try to criticize...pleasssse! Get a life mookie!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-61052979158391717842009-10-24T05:24:25.783-05:002009-10-24T05:24:25.783-05:00Gandy,
You do have issues and I wonder what does ...Gandy,<br /><br />You do have issues and I wonder what does any of your experience have to do with what we're talking about...I mean if you have an atheist's world view, then what does what you've experienced mean? What does your father dying at your early age mean? It means NOTHING. <br /><br />I'm sorry to be blunt but too many atheists try to take jabs at GOd while at the same time they say he doesn't exist...I know what my suffering means and I have confidence in what it does for me:<br /><br /><b>Romans 8:18</b>~<i>For I reckon that the SUFFERINGS OF THIS present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.</i><br /><br />Death, life, sickness and health EVERYTHING I go through has value to it. I don't have to know what that value is but I know in whom I trust...<br /><br /><b>Psalms 125:1</b>~<i>THEY THAT TRUST in the LORD [shall be] as mount Zion, [which] cannot be removed, [but] abideth for ever.</i><br /><br />So the only thing YOU display with "blame God' stories is that you 1 either BELIEVE IN HIM and are simply frustrated because you don't understand him, or 2- you're just throwing whatever complaint you can up hoping that someone will have some sympathy for you...well you haven't asked me for any and I gives ya none.<br /><br />Then you said concerning capital punishment:<i>We could choose to totally hate and become hell bent on revenge ask for the death penalty,will that bring back the family member killed?</i><br /><br />Absolutely not, but it establishes a standard of justice not seeking to punish the surviving victims. It places perspective and let's offenders know that there is a cost and a penalty and that life is precious. Are you a "bleeding heart" with a backward sense of right and wrong too? I can tell it, at least until it's your family member huh?<br /><br />Then you said:<i>See that's what i keep trying to explain to you Harvey,even though i feel your faith beliefs make you often mean and nasty and yes i will say quite thoughtless(forgive me for simply being honest)</i><br /><br />No my friend, the problem is your TWISTED sense of morality and right and wrong...you reward the fake, crook and perpetrator of evil assuming you're being loving. A reward for evil is never good, all it does is foster more evil. So whatever evil you see in me is ALREADY glaringly staring you in the face and it's called SIN!<br /><br />see 2District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-89012169312127417552009-10-23T20:41:30.318-05:002009-10-23T20:41:30.318-05:00post 2
See thats what i keep trying to explain to...post 2<br /><br />See thats what i keep trying to explain to you Harvey,even though i feel your faith beliefs make you often mean and nasty and yes i will say quite thoughtless(forgive me for simply being honest)what good does it do me to allow myself to PERSONALLY FEEL HATE FOR YOU for to long?....Will it save me wrinkles and frown lines?..or will it just tend to give me them all the more.<br /><br />So while i often read your blog and remember those very same bosses of the church i once came from, who even then seemed to be drunken on power and control and set in selfrightiousness nastiness and faithful bigotry.<br /><br />I dont allow myself to lay the blame on you personally...Because i know that it goes far far deaper than that,and blaming you personally would be as wrong as you blaming Froggie or who ever else.And i know that you like the killer are just another type of product of the many situations of society and our many different lives around us.So though you and even i do wrong and that is not so easy to excuse,its better to learn how to (understand it) so we can then hopefully learn to make the changes needed.<br /><br />Now you might decide to delete this cheeky wee monkeys post too,i just want to add i wont let it give me too many more monkey frowns and wrinkles if you decide too.I will simply leave the wrinkles and frown line for you to worry about.<br /><br />I have plenty of work to do elsewhere too.You yourself are supposedly a minister of some god, while im ministering kindness and hope of monkey humanity to others like me who have been abused by faithful religion.As well as combining with those who work to see it all stop and finish,so we can have hope that some more and more humane lil wee monkeys can slowly return to this here earth.<br /><br />Its just simple monkey business as usual see Harv :)<br /><br />Hey how does that banana fit in a human monkeys hand??,do ya reckon ol Ray Comfort might even give my ideas a slim chanceGandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-10028539554472671462009-10-23T20:38:50.587-05:002009-10-23T20:38:50.587-05:00Post ..1
District Supt. Harvey Burnett said... &q...Post ..1<br /><br />District Supt. Harvey Burnett said... "Those are the types that make the best arguments for evolution, because they act like animals-LOL!"<br /><br />Yes well i guess i`ll really have to admit,i can definatly be a cheeky wee monkey quite often :(<br /><br />But hey supposedly the gods kill your old man aged 38 with cancer,when he never even smoked never drank worked hard loved his kids loved god went to church (every single day) of his life.etc etc etc<br /><br />Left me aged 18months with a mum and 5 others kids all 10+ older than i.<br /><br />Fine Religious folks around always only run us down for all our imperfections and nothing much we seemed to do seemed worth much in their books,and they made stupid rules that made everyone else dislike us only making matters much much worse.<br /><br />Folks and family all around us were splitting and dividing and some even ending their lives.<br /><br />Guess maybe i should have become the wonderful serrious type,but ahh life seemed kinda like a jungle to me where the top cats always slam dunked those under them anyway. And so being a wee monkey and trying to always see the funny side of life if you could, sort of felt like it kinda helped out a little...L.o.L<br /> <br />Hey you questioned where our morals might ever fall out of the sky from, you said...."In their world, someone who breaks into their homes and kills family members shouldn't be punished too severely because they may have had a "genetic" incapacity or disadvantage. <br /><br />They are LIARS with no basis for truth. In fact they can't even define truth, truth is what they make it out to be...totally nonobjective."<br /><br />Harvey you have called us simply liars, nailing all us non believers to the analogical christian cross in the process but what choice is there really?.<br /><br />We could choose to totally hate and become hell bent on revenge ask for the death penalty,will that bring back the family member killed? ...Will killing the killer make me any better?.Will his/her death finish and completely remove my hatred and dislike of losing a family member now gone? ...Will i then and only then cease from letting myself be eaten away from anger and hate?.<br /><br />And was it the society i was also part of and involved in the making of along with my forefathers too as well,somehow partly to do with all the whys and hows etc certain folks do become killers! while many other folks dont seem to quite the same?Gandolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624178234332819107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-28750752094389221732009-10-23T15:26:01.946-05:002009-10-23T15:26:01.946-05:00Pastor, gmcwatch made a great point about how they...Pastor, gmcwatch made a great point about how they stifle debate and conversation from lurkers. I'll keep that in mind for myself too when I get too rambunctious. Your blog didn't just "happen", it takes time, thought and effort, and I respect that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com