tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post4366820088720129775..comments2024-03-27T11:13:34.520-05:00Comments on The Dunamis Word: Does The Bible Deal With Sexual Orientation?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-2921813230668122512013-03-28T07:45:45.977-05:002013-03-28T07:45:45.977-05:00Thank you and you are NEVER too late. Little did I...Thank you and you are NEVER too late. Little did I know that this issue is blazing as it is right now. Stay tuned, got something coming later today. <br /><br />Blessed!!!!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-52698852648006144742013-03-27T15:22:55.362-05:002013-03-27T15:22:55.362-05:00I know I'm a few years late, but I just wanted...I know I'm a few years late, but I just wanted to say that this is the most interesting (and the most civil discussion) of homosexuality in the bible, in our society, and how it relates to Christianity that I have ever run across on The Internet. I just wanted to thank the owner of this blog for posting the article and thanks to everyone here who has made comments :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-70845421101721960132011-01-19T23:22:03.111-06:002011-01-19T23:22:03.111-06:00FM,
For the most part I certainly agree with what...FM,<br /><br />For the most part I certainly agree with what your asserting. But this is where we differ to an extent:<br /><br />You said:<i>"I think saying someone chooses to be that way is oversimplifying it."</i><br /><br />I don't think so, because ALL sex is a choice. So while one may not choose to love a certain person, the actions that follow are a choice. In this case the actions that follow are out of order. What some might call a confusion of action. Instead of having a love that is a care and concern, it becomes mixed with a sexual attraction. <br /><br />You question:<i>"I don't think anyone chooses to be that way (why would they)."</i><br /><br />Because, in my opinion, that's the nature of sin. It corrupts and contaminates. <br /><br />So loving a person is NOT wrong, loving them out of the order of God is. This is why we would call it a perversion. <br /><br />So, while I agree that a person could be born that way, it's more difficult for me to think of it as some sort of defect or abnormality similar to a birth defect. I don't think homosexuals are defective, I simply believe that the proper order, or proper display of their affections are misplaced and that because of sin, whether birthed that way or not. <br /><br />I think the church looses nothing with the acknowledgement that certain individuals are born with certain tendencies and propensities, and even certain defects that cause them to sin in certain ways. In my opinion this doesn't take away from God as he is not the author of sin and corruption.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-46902560465638761332011-01-19T20:50:22.302-06:002011-01-19T20:50:22.302-06:00I didn't want to say it was normal, but I did ...I didn't want to say it was normal, but I did say that some people could be born that way. For example, I have scoliosis, which is a curved spine. The normal way is for my spine to be straight. Just because someone is born homosexual doesnt make it normal, but it cab happen.<br /><br />I think saying someone chooses to be that way is oversimplifying it. I don't think anyone chooses to be that way (why would they).<br /><br />I think it is a disorder they need treatment for. However in todays politically correct world it isn't good to say homosexuality is a disorder which would make it hard to get treatment for.fmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-74655367235733909362011-01-19T15:50:44.216-06:002011-01-19T15:50:44.216-06:00FM,
The problem is that even if that's the ca...FM,<br /><br />The problem is that even if that's the case, it in no way justifies homosexuality neither does it make it normative. <br /><br />Unfortunately the parallels don't positively impact the case, because I don't believe homosexuality is a birth defect, but one could easily and readily say, like you said, since a person was born Siamese twins or some other identifiable birth defect, that those conditions are normal. We know they aren't "normal" and that they are "defects" partially based on genes, but no matter how a person is "born" doesn't mean that's how they are supposed to be. <br /><br />What we have is an assumption that "birth" equates to how one is "supposed to be" with certain exceptions as I stated. <br /><br />Yet the scripture states that were were "shaped" in iniquity and "conceived" in sin indicating that all of us are born with something that was not part of the original design. We identify it as sin and the sin nature. <br /><br />Now, Psalms 53:3 says this "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."<br /><br />Now the "wicked" (Rasha), or morally wrong or actively bad person is a Stranger" (Zuwr) from the womb. So although one can become a product of environment or circumstances, that's not always the case. Some are like they are because of the effects of sin in the genome and in the world. <br /><br />The answer in every case is JESUS and his message of liberation and experiencing him. <br /><br />Was Thomas a doubter from teh womb or did he only doubt as a result of life's experience? One thing is for sure, his encounter with the resurrected Jesus changed all that...John 20:28.<br /><br />Now, we have to be careful because sin has no creative power. it is an element that perverts or corrupts what is uncorrupted. However, since sin has been added to the genome it is indistinguishable from our standpoint.<br /><br />If that is the case, then there is no possible way that God DID NOT deal with sexual orientation. He dealt with it in dealing with what he called the "heart" repeatedly. <br /><br />At the end of the day, a homosexual or lesbian is left without an excuse for their sin, just like an adulterer or adulteress has none for theirs. Because we all MUST be born AGAIN John 3:3District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-7324723647829049912011-01-19T14:16:48.998-06:002011-01-19T14:16:48.998-06:00I believe people are born homosexual. It's no ...I believe people are born homosexual. It's no way to explain someone feeling that way from a young age. One problem I have with the black church in particular is that they tend to ignore science, even if the evidence is obvious.<br /><br />Genes and genetics play a big part in human behavior, whether we want to admit it or not. I don't think homosexuality is natural, but neither do I think siamese twins are natural, but they do occur.<br /><br />Nature trumps nurture everytime. That is why someone can grow up in church and still be gay. Environment can't defeat genetics. Having said that, until 1973, homosexuality was declared a mental illness. So, i think people struggling with that behavior should seek professional help for it, just like a surgeon would perform an operation to seperate siamese twins.fmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-56222908756250372122010-02-28T21:41:05.168-06:002010-02-28T21:41:05.168-06:00Thanks AUSFAHRT.
In response to your commentary, ...Thanks AUSFAHRT.<br /><br />In response to your commentary, and since thought it was worth more than a simple response in this section,I have written a post addressing your assertions. You'll find it <a href="http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2010/02/just-in-case-you-didnt-believe-that.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>. <br /><br />I encourage all Christians to chime in on this. As you can see homosexuals aren't reluctant to respond even if they are totally wrong. So at least we should tell the truth. <br /><br />Thanks.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-51169136023537330992010-02-28T09:29:53.365-06:002010-02-28T09:29:53.365-06:00The job of the gay community is not to deal with e...The job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists( the black church) who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us ( like Supt. Burnett who believes in a Bible that deems him a descendant of Ham: a slave). <br /><br />Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment.<br /><br />Therefore, you Negros can pontificate till judgement day, but this Black, gay man will lobby, vote, influence, and agitate for equality. Hey, you hetero Negros cannot make marriage work( marriage rate has plummeted from 70% to 30% currently) so let us Black gays set the example for education achievement, wealth building, family dynamics, child rearing, marriage bliss, love, sex, and overall successful living. You know I'm telling the truth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-70247278644589011062010-02-25T10:24:56.445-06:002010-02-25T10:24:56.445-06:00Laura, what I got from this article is what the bi...Laura, what I got from this article is what the bible encourages growth and maturity and it seems that that comes from the mind is being renewed, not that you shouldnt refrain though.<br /><br />A homosexual may be home by himself and not necessarily faced with the temptation of being with someone of the same sex but the thoughts may come to him. Now since he is not faced with the decision to refrain at that point should he continue to think about it? I think not, many scriptures posted tell us that we cast that thought down.<br /><br /><br />I think this passage explains what Pastor Harvey is talking about.<br /><br /><b>Ephesians 4<br /> 17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their MIND, <br /><br /> 18Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: <br /><br /> 19Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. <br /><br /> 20But ye have not so learned Christ; <br /><br /> 21If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: <br /><br /> 22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; <br /><br /> 23And be RENEWED in the spirit of your MIND; <br /><br /> 24And that ye put on the NEW MAN, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. <br /><br /> 25Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. <br /><br /> 26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: <br /><br /> 27Neither give place to the devil....</b><br /><br />Both renewal and restraint are necessary as Children of God, that though has nothing to do with adding works to grace. Just how you expect a baby to grow and mature the same way we should grow in Christ, that should be natural and will if we feed on His Word.<br /><br /><b>1 Peter 2:2 (King James Version)<br />2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:</b><br /><br />Blessings!!<br /><br />Thanks Pastor Harvey, great stuff!!Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02063500442339359526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-76286252977025525392010-02-23T23:04:03.158-06:002010-02-23T23:04:03.158-06:00Kyle,
As I believe our friend Melvin says from ti...Kyle,<br /><br />As I believe our friend Melvin says from time to time, <br /><br />"So shall it be done! Swooosh!"<br /><br />Of course he adds a lot more flare and style than I do-LOL!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-90133302780564421892010-02-23T22:54:16.992-06:002010-02-23T22:54:16.992-06:00Pastor Burnett,
Block Laura for the sake of every...Pastor Burnett,<br /><br />Block Laura for the sake of everyone here.<br /><br />Did you notice in the last post she identified you as "harvey" as if to denigrate your Pastor title?<br /><br />I wouldn't continue with her back and forth. In fact I would suggest this individual has personal issues that need prayer.<br /><br />Cut this one off Brother.<br /><br />In Christ,<br /><br />KyleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-78212160882591968262010-02-23T22:40:11.603-06:002010-02-23T22:40:11.603-06:00Harvey, I don't believe any witch, atheist or ...Harvey, I don't believe any witch, atheist or idolater will be in heaven either. <br /><br />I backed every accusation against your false teaching with scripture. Your readers can decide for themselves what is truth. I trust you won't remove the post, and I have no reason to visit your blog again.<br /><br />"Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. <br />Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reasons for such confidence. <br /> If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless. <br /><br /> But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ— the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.<br />~Philippians 3:1-9Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-64076322233988105942010-02-23T22:02:18.867-06:002010-02-23T22:02:18.867-06:00Laura,
You said:Galatians 5 tells us that as soon...Laura,<br /><br />You said:<i>Galatians 5 tells us that as soon as we add something to faith, we cancel the work of the Cross. I'm afraid millions, upon millions of church-going people are going to miss Heaven's glory because that's exactly what they've done."<br /></i><br /><br />You have no concept or clue as to what you're saying...<b>Get this ONCE and for all...there is no such thing as an UNRIGHTEOUS BELIEVER...There is NO believer who lives ungodly and unrighteously before God. If they say so, no matter what their confession or claim to faith they are ON THEIR WAY TO HELL!</b><br /><br />God doesn't partially save...God saves! Your words are fruitless and futile. Kyle pointed out your error. You follow a hyper-Calvinist path and your understanding regarding this is bogus. <br /><br />Said supposed believers go to hell not because of faults...they go because they refuse to leave their sins! Any so called believer doing what Paul outlines in Galations 5 and even worse things GO TO HELL! <b>Paul said those who do such shall not inherit the Kingdom</b> Your twisted theology is not welcomed nor hailed as truth on this site under any circumstance and is not supportable scripturally in the least. <br /><br />The mercy of God is extended by his compassion to those who struggle to overcome sin, however there's a big difference between those who struggle with repented of sins and those that simply continue to commit and do their sins assuming that they bought a great big insurance policy through confession, and what they say is an exercise of faith. so they aren't worried about what they do with their bodies...That's HERESY!.<br /><br />You assume inclusion for confession of faith with no repentance and or turning or resultant actions and IT DOESN'T WORK...it isn't biblical and it has NEVER been the true gospel of Christ or message of salvation at any time in biblical history...From 2 Chronicles 7:14 prescribing repentance from dead works to Joel 2 crying repentance to Hosea 10:12 crying repentance to John crying repentance in the wilderness, to Jesus crying repentance until Peter crying repentance Acts 2:38 until Paul crying repentance to all that would hear, ONLY them that forsook their sins turning to the Lord (not in A-B order)are saved...<br /><br />I don't care what is claimed to be confessed or what one says they have faith in...The proof of forsaking sins, and saving faith is in the overcoming power of Christ in the life...they go hand in hand...as I said in the post on works and faith...<a href="http://bethelburnett.blogspot.com/2009/07/are-works-and-faith-inseparable.html" rel="nofollow">THEY ARE INSEPERABLE!</a> So your complete premise is rejected as it has always been here by me. This is nothing new. <br /><br />Now I've just about had enough of you. Partially because you keep repeating the same lame argument that has been rejected and refuted adequately many posts back long ago...Your arguments haven't changed nor gotten any better and I've said nothing new and or different.<br /><br />I'll let you slide this last time because you were responding to Paul's request, but NO MORE...I'm sickened by your discourse and the lie you place upon scripture...<br /><br />Now, I better understand Nightmare's problem with you although he was wrong about his biblical assertions he was right about your short-sightedness. Remember him don't you? He was the confessing and practicing idolatrous, atheist, witch that you said was saved because he formerly confessed Christ...your declarations were based on your TWISTED understanding of scripture...Just like you were wrong then, you're wrong now. <br /><br />So before you try to accuse me of preaching another gospel you need to find out what the true Gospel is...It is POWER unto salvation and the works of the believer DO FOLLOW them...You better believe that NO WITCH, atheist nor idolater will be in heaven!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-16220505371971217272010-02-23T18:38:32.660-06:002010-02-23T18:38:32.660-06:00So when Harvey said "Who can do this? Only Ch...So when Harvey said "Who can do this? Only Christ!", those must have been the words of someone else, because he just damned BELIEVERS to hell for not "dealing with" what only Christ can do.<br /><br />1. He changed the Word of God to including those already washed in the Blood of Christ.<br /><br />2. He added human effort (works) to what only Christ can do, thereby making the Cross of no effect.<br /><br />3. He damned BELIEVERS to hell.<br /><br />Hope that clears it up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-72820073202032314422010-02-23T18:27:25.371-06:002010-02-23T18:27:25.371-06:00Hi Paul. Thanks for asking. It's all up there ...Hi Paul. Thanks for asking. It's all up there ^, but let me put it in one place here.<br /><br />Harvey said "Is it ok for a married man to obsess on other women just not do the act? Jesus pointed out and said NO, he is guilty."<br /><br />I said <i>"Aren't you confusing guilt of the sinner with condemnation of the unbeliever? Jesus was showing what sin is to a group of Jews that thought they were perfect for following the law. Christ pointed out that looking and lusting is just the same, and He nailed both to the Cross. You know this, so why am I explaining it?"</i><br /><br />and then I added Harvey's comment from the blog where he said what is <b>true</b>:<br /><br />From your post: Romans 12:2 ~ <i>"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."<br /><b>Who can do this? Only Christ!</b></i><br /><br />Maybe he didn't know this. Maybe he copied his blog from someone else, because he sure changed his tune with the next post:<br /><br />He then used Galatians 5 as "proof". <br />So let's look at how he came to add to the Word of God, and so doing, damned believers to hell:<br /><br />16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. <br /><br />17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. <br /><br />18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. <br /><br />19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, <br /><br />20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, <br /><br />21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: <b>of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.</b><br /><br />Stop right here...Where did Paul tell us in the past? 1 Corinthians 6:9-12, so let's look:<br /><br />9 Know ye not that the <b>unrighteous</b> shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, <br /><br />10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. <br /><br />11 <b>And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.</b> <br /><br />12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. <br />~1 Corinthians 6:9-12<br /><br />Paul made the destinction here that the <b>unrighteous unbelieving</b> (unwashed) shall not inherit the kingdom of God.<br /><br />Continuing on in Galatians: <br /><br />22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, <br /><br />23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. <br /><br />24 <b>And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.</b> <br /><br />25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.<br />Galatians 5:16-25<br /><br />He said of Galatians 5: <i>"They which do such things does not offer a class distinction between those that are saved or not...in fact the whole verse is written letting them that are "saved" know their spiritual position and place. <br /><b>Failure to deal with it does not lead to a lesser blessing in the kingdom, it leads to separation from God and hell.</b></i><br /><br />To which I said "You have used the very chapter (Galatians 5) that explains our liberty to put us in chains again!<br /><br />Galatians 5 tells us that as soon as we add something to faith, we cancel the work of the Cross. I'm afraid millions, upon millions of church-going people are going to miss Heaven's glory because that's exactly what they've done."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-31285388833284036442010-02-23T15:50:36.057-06:002010-02-23T15:50:36.057-06:00Pastor Harvey, I understand what you are saying.
...Pastor Harvey, I understand what you are saying.<br /><br />Laura, so you are saying that Pastor Harvey is adding works to grace? if so what part of this article says that.<br /><br />I just need clarification.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02063500442339359526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-91254364293439132712010-02-23T15:32:13.461-06:002010-02-23T15:32:13.461-06:00Laura,
Took you 10 minutes to figure out that was...Laura,<br /><br /><i>Took you 10 minutes to figure out that was your Church's belief?</i><br /><br />No I've known that for 30 years...you just don't have a clue as to what ANY of it means.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-69465482854334095362010-02-23T15:30:28.675-06:002010-02-23T15:30:28.675-06:00See this is what happens when homosexuality is cha...See this is what happens when homosexuality is challenged...people come in with stange ideas and try to sidetrack the whole conversation. <br /><br />The fact still is that there is no such thing as a homosexual christian. those two things don't even go together. A total oximoron. Secondly there is no scripture that allows the practice of homosexuality even for a minute.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-63555345042690252122010-02-23T15:29:03.554-06:002010-02-23T15:29:03.554-06:00Took you 10 minutes to figure out that was your Ch...Took you 10 minutes to figure out that was your Church's belief? LOL<br />See ya!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-3766932838028116872010-02-23T15:19:18.752-06:002010-02-23T15:19:18.752-06:00but thank you for pointing that out accurately...w...but thank you for pointing that out accurately...well it couldn't help but be accurate because none of them were YOUR words!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-42917345425452084392010-02-23T15:18:12.682-06:002010-02-23T15:18:12.682-06:00What the heck??? Laura you have no CLUE!!! that...What the heck??? Laura you have no CLUE!!! that's for sure.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-62229660520343565602010-02-23T15:09:52.921-06:002010-02-23T15:09:52.921-06:00Maybe you need to brush up on what your denomunati...Maybe you need to brush up on what your denomunation professes to believe:<br /><br />Salvation deals with the application of the work of redemption to the sinner with his restoration to divine favor and communion with God. This redemptive operation <b>of the Holy Ghost upon sinners</b> is brought about by repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ which brings conversion, faith, justification regeneration, sanctification, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost. <b>Repentance is the work of God</b>, which results in a change of mind in respect to man's relationship to God. (St. Matthew 3:1-2, 4:17; Acts 20:21). Faith is a certain conviction wrought in the heart <b>by the Holy Spirit</b>, as to the truth of the Gospel and a heart trust in the promises of God in Christ (Romans 1:17, 3:28; St. Matthew 9:22; Acts 26:18). <b>Conversion is that act of God whereby He causes</b> the regenerated sinner, in his conscious life, to turn to Him in repentance and faith (II Kings 5:15; II Chronicles 33:12-13; St. Luke 19:8, 9; Acts 8:30).<b> Regeneration is that act of God</b> by which the principle of the new life is implanted in man, and the governing disposition of soul is made holy and the first holy exercise of this new disposition is secured. <b>Sanctification is that gracious and continuous operation of the Holy Ghost</b>, by which He delivers the justified sinner from the pollution of sin, renews his whole nature in the image of God <b>and enables him</b> to perform good works (Romans 6:4;5:6; Colossians 2:12; 3:1).<br /><br />http://www.cogic.com/doctrine.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-1400295857612397992010-02-23T15:04:57.513-06:002010-02-23T15:04:57.513-06:00I just wonder how biblically illiterate that you h...I just wonder how biblically illiterate that you have to be to go to Romans 2:16 bypassing Romans 2 5-8 which says this:<br /><br /><i>"5-But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6-Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"</i><br /><br />What is that? is that works salvation? every man is judged by god according to his DEEDS...can't be the righteous, how do they have a hard and impetent heart? then pay no attention to the very next verse where Paul further states:<br /><br /><i>"7-To them who by patient continuance <b>in well doing</b> seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8-But unto them that are contentious, and <b>do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath"</b></i><br /><br />Indignation and wrath prepared for those who don't LIVE right according to his word...Like I said you can't even understand the truth of scripture...we'll be judged by the word of God as stated in revelation when the books were opened. Paul's words will be part of that as it is the word of God also, but not the only part of it.<br /><br />I thank God for this post, because I don't need any extremists and hyper Calvinists spouting' off false teachings such as these around here. <br /><br />Once again thanks for the enlightenment Kyle!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-67569714634298228912010-02-23T14:49:14.276-06:002010-02-23T14:49:14.276-06:00Laura,
What kind of corn flake answer is this???:...Laura,<br /><br />What kind of corn flake answer is this???:<br /><br /><i>I was ABUNDANTLY clear that I would question the salvation experience of a homosexual still engaging in sex <b>years after being born again.</b> You lied here.</i><br /><br />What does that mean? One year or twelve years/ Where's teh standard and where's is that in the bible? Is that an objective guideline or opinion and where can that be found? who manages that? <b>No, that's just some more CRAP that Laura thinks and lays down as if we should accpet it simply because she has such a preeminent view of scripture.</b><br /><br />then you said this:<i>Do you know the ONE way you can lose your salvation? Anathema!</i><br /><br />Yes and absolutely, you can WALK AWAY FROM GRACE!!! God drags and atheist kicking and screaming into heaven because why? "because God knows best asnd he loves him"...Yea righ...what they tell you readily is that heaven is an atheist's hell...they don't want Jesus and those that have left obviously didn't want what there were ENLIGHTENED with.<br /><br /><b>Heb. 6:4-5</b>~<i>"4-For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5-And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,6-If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.</i><br /><br />You went from a radical atheist to a radical Christian who is biblically illiterate. That's traggic i though you would have known better...so far as works righteousness you have no clue and can't interpret the bible yet alone what I teach...<br /><br />As you said, your're DONE here...don't disturb our peace any longer.<br /><br />Thanks!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2357475346759651140.post-2245887167189879922010-02-23T14:48:43.907-06:002010-02-23T14:48:43.907-06:00I knew you would remove the post. You can't ta...I knew you would remove the post. You can't take being exposed as a controller and false teacher. Thanks...that was all the confirmation I needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com